Gajim - 2025-10-08

hey all! since GTK4, I have had some "visibility" issues. I thought the culprit was my GTK_THEME (Nordic) or some stuff in ~/.config/gtk-4.0, but I moved that dir, and even if I launch with GTK_THEME=Adwaita, a few things are wrong with the colors. does anyone know what's wrong with my config and where to look? (screenshots incoming)

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e62ad-fdb5-7368-8704-d3171e40d7b5/09386052-f288-4241-b894-df16d8779715.png

⬆️ selected chat in the chat list is white-on-white

(btw, gajim fails to preview this image with ValueError("relative path can't be expressed as a file URI") — non-related issue)

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e62b9-a904-7ae4-bf6f-c01d070b41b4/8fa3e801-7851-4efb-9d2b-1a4d1f6ac2d5.png

⬆️ unread count bubbles have no background making them almost invisible in the "workspace list"

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e62c2-2634-7eb0-ba10-4d34fab7b3ee/86dbb00a-fb70-4a73-90d7-410c5100b03f.png

⬆️ with GTK_THEME=Adwaita-dark, they are a bit more readable but have no "background" which I don't think is intended?

and in the chat list, there is simply no difference between between the active conversation and other chats

nicoco: can you check with the gtkinspector that it really uses the right theme?

not sure what to look for, but in GTKinspector→global→prefix→environment I see that GTK_THEME=Adwaita, yes

interesting things in there, though

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e62db-dbf2-7de8-8a6c-4e1548db56ea/0c64a8b3-d5af-4d62-a65d-99578d545f08.png

apparently "my system does not support accent colors" so that may be it?

nicoco, which xdg-desktop-portal implementations are you running? On which DE?

oh, but in settings I see "GTK Theme: Nordic" despite GTK_THEME=Adwaita (and the general look being Adwaitaish, definitely not "Nordic")

I use sway

nicoco, do you do this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sway#Configuration

Do you have both xdg-desktop-portal-wlr and xdg-desktop-portal-gtk installed and running?

yes, `ps aux | grep portal` show that both are running

> nicoco, do you do this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sway#Configuration no mention of GTK4 there ↺

It’s libadwaita which requires the Settings portal.

not sure what to do with that lol :) is xdg-desktop-portal-gtk the settings portal?

I suspect I have to do some magic `gsettings set …` incantations?

xdg-desktop-portal-gtk does provide an implementation of the Settings portal, yes.

No, gsettings shouldn’t be involved anywhere, nor environment variables.

Nor configuration files.

Just the portal.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal nicoco: portal implements different interfaces:

(for a start, I'd be happy to just use adwaita dark theme, then I'll see if I manage to get the "Nordic" color scheme that I like, but later) ✏

See 2.1

Do I understand that xdg-desktop-portal-gtk is for GTK3 only from this table?

Different Portal backends implement* ✏

Meaning I need to have xdg-desktop-portal-gnome for GTK4?

Yes, gtk is only gtk3

Afaik

I'd like to try to understand how this all works but man, the complexity…

It would offer you the gtk3 file chooser in Gajim if you want to pick a file

I don't have xdg-desktop-portal-gnome, yet, with GTK_THEME=Nordic, a `~/.themes/Nordic/gtk4` dir and some gsettings stuff, my gajim _almost_ looks good, the selected chat and unread count bubbles have no background are my only issues

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e6313-b6e5-71a8-8a80-a33e87b1cf2b/eafcba52-d1cb-4e7f-9cb9-51dfe24c2c39.png

Portals are middlemen/gatekeepers between applications and the portal applications (see interfaces), whereby the communication happens over dbus.

But how does it work when `xdg-desktop-portal-gnome` is not installed? installing it with apt wants to pull 178 other packages, for 450 MB lol. I still have no idea where/what to set if I install that. Is is really required if I just want to use gajim's default adwaitathing theme?

nicoco, no, xdg-desktop-portal-gnome is if you were using GNOME, but you are using Sway so you want xdg-desktop-portal-wlr for the DE integration.

sway is minimal, I don't think it does much in terms of "theming" anything

xdg-desktop-portal-gtk is for some portals which aren’t or can’t be implemented by xdg-desktop-portal-wlr, such as the OpenFile portal, or the Settings portal.

nicoco, this also isn’t about theming, but about light/dark and accent colour preferences.

OK. What would you do if you were in my shoes then? My ~only~ main concern is unread count bubbles being almost invisible. Does this have to do with accent colors? How can I fix it? What should I install, which setting should I modify and how? ✏

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'httpx'

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'truststore'

yup, it's a new dependency

Nobody noticed me the AUR package was failing. :(

this is unreleased, 2.3.6 does not introduce these new dependencies

can't you make that AUR package read the dependencies in `pyproject.toml`? runtime dependencies are defined "the standard way" AFAIK

Sure, but I’m talking about the git package, which builds from master.

nicoco, hmm, I don’t know of a way to translate pypi names and versions into ArchLinux packages names and versions.

nicoco, here, running GNOME and the xdg-desktop-portal-gnome and xdg-desktop-portal-gtk portal implementations, I do have the accent colour working.

So perhaps try to figure out why xdg-desktop-portal-gtk doesn’t for you.

Are you running an up to date version? Here I’m on 1.15.3.

``` Package: xdg-desktop-portal-gtk Version: 1.15.3-1 ``` Yay, same version, even in debian stable. That's unusual ^^

I'll try to investigate why "accent colour" do not work… I do not really know where to start, but search engines are my friends.

Good luck!

hey all. just a quick question as it's not working for me: The setting "Show in Taskbar" should be the right one to disable Gaijm's tray icon, or do I misunderstand it? It does not have any effect for me right now.

spicewiesel: no, this is about the task bar, not the system tray

ah, that thing usually on the bottom on kde/gnome etc?

Tray is a different setting look for notification area

oh yes, I was searching for tray and icon but never notifications. Disabling that did the trick after a restart, thanks a lot!

I'm now not convinced it is an "accent color" issue, since I can toggle "system supports accent color" in gtkinspector and the "unread message count" still have no background.

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e6534-6cff-7f94-a6aa-9b27f08223f4/a0e52fdc-b304-454f-9892-bf017e027a09.png

Hello, I have a problem with my Gajim installation on Fedora. It no longer starts up and complains about a non-existing SQLite table called jids. I am currently using the Gajim installation provided by GNU Guix on the same system, but I would like to solve this issue so to come back to the Fedora one. Does anyone of you have any idea on how to fix this? Thanks a lot.

gimmi: do you use the Fedora repo or Flatpak?

> gimmi: do you use the Fedora repo or Flatpak? Fedora Repo ↺

I had to restart my computer and some files have been corrupted, one of which was this SQLite DB used by Gajim

I really don't know how it happened, but I also almost lost an entire git repo. 🤔 (unrelated) ✏

gimmi, Fedora has an extremely old version of Gajim, and if you ran a newer one (e.g. from Guix) it will have upgraded the database, and there is no way to move back.

The best solution would be for Fedora to move on and ship the latest version, but this has been happening for years at this point.

> gimmi, Fedora has an extremely old version of Gajim, and if you ran a newer one (e.g. from Guix) it will have upgraded the database, and there is no way to move back. Well, Gajim always creates a backup of the database.

Oh, TIL.

> gimmi, Fedora has an extremely old version of Gajim, and if you ran a newer one (e.g. from Guix) it will have upgraded the database, and there is no way to move back. Actually, I installed Gajim using Guix. Then I switched flawlessly to the Fedora version. Then this morning I had the failure and now I have problems with the Fedora version. Otherwise everything used to work flawlessly. ↺

The Guix version is 1.9.5.

I don't remember the Fedora one...

> The best solution would be for Fedora to move on and ship the latest version, but this has been happening for years at this point. Yeah, they've been failing to manage to upgrade a dependency (protobuf) required for Gajim and many other packages for almost 2 years now. It's on theie agenda, but shortly before each release they notice that no volunteer came up to help upgrading all packages, which have been stalled for above reason. ✏

> The best solution would be for Fedora to move on and ship the latest version, but this has been happening for years at this point. Yeah, they've been failing to manage to upgrade a dependency (protobuf) required for Gajim and many other packages for almost 2 years now. It's on their agenda, but shortly before each release they notice that no volunteer came up to help upgrading all packages, which have been stalled for above reason. ✏

Link Mauve, mesonium, I don't know if you' re interested but here we go: I managed to get the damn accent colors. I had GTK_THEME=Nordic set on the startup of my sway session (so presumably before `xdg-portal-xxx` starts, and this apparently breaks accent-colors for the whole session even if unset it later with `GTK_THEME="" some-executable`. So my workaround was to unset GTK_THEME, which gives back accent colors to adwaita and adwaita-dark. Pfeeeew.

If I want my nordic color scheme, apparently I need to write some overrides in ~/.config/gtk-4.0/gtk.css — I'll live with adwaita-dark's defaults for now xD ✏

you can write the overrides by hand or there's a semi-offical app called rewaita

the palette I like is not that exotic: https://www.nordtheme.com/ — for GTK3 https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic was OK ✏

but it looks awful in GTK4 xD

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/068e6615-b2e4-7584-ae80-e09bec64c4b5/2bed0338-330e-498b-bb62-102ebcb40665.png

Just a bit. ;)

Is there a way to get Gajim to auto-replace :) with 🙂 for example?

:)

TeeCee: check the Acronym Expander plugin

Nice, thanks

does this channel have any guidelines around message recording?

There is no limit to my knowledge why?

If you mean the message retention of this chat

Or do you mean something different?

I mean if I, for example, took a screenshot of this chat for a particular example and it was accesible online, would that be problematic?

Depends what you screenshot and on the person you take a screenshot of?

This is a public chat, people expect that this information is publicly accessible

Not of a specific person, just the general chatroom at a point in time

As said everything here is already publicly available

All chat logs are also online reachable

You can not make it worse by sharing a screenshot

Btw this is really cool

https://conference.gajim.org:5281/muc_log/gajim/

To do this you need a prosody module right?

yes

Ah amazing might look into it and set it up

Do you by any chance know how the prosody module is called?

https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_log_http.html most likely

Amazing thank you so much <3

or rather its successor https://modules.prosody.im/mod_http_muc_log.html

Will take a look into it and set it up tomorrow once again thanks

hello! please does anybody has a working referral code for jmp.chat ? would love to test the numbers and get rid of bad voip services afterwards thanks!

cofeyas1622025: the jmp chat support chat is here: xmpp:discuss@conference.soprani.ca?join

Hey, was there already the suggestion for Sticker support? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0449.html If not, I want to suggest it as a new feature :D