Gajim - 2025-09-04

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master imprv: HTTP File Upload: Improve mime type detection when sending files - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/8ad0d5fdc19ea6be11f8461f23edd45c4c855fd3

Christof: you need that interface in order for the status icon to be shown

Also: sorting of the chat list only happens if you don't hover the list. Maybe that's the problem? Otherwise it sorts by last message received, regardless of its chat type

Not by last message, chats with messages should bo on top

But within these chats there is no sorting, to reduce unnecessary motuon ✏

But within these chats there is no sorting, to reduce unnecessary motion ✏

Ah, that's new to me

Don't know how it behaves for group chats where you don't get notified on every message

> Christof: you need that interface in order for the status icon to be shown if I use dbus, I can query it. Also, I see 2 status icons (one for bluetooth, the other one by nm-applet) ↺

Do you use Flatpak? You are not missing a portal by any chance?

You need a service that provides this dbus interface ✏

org.kde.StatusNotifierWatcher

Search for your distro which app can provide that

I have a couple of problems with Gajim that I can't solve. For example: The window position is not saved at all. Regardless of whether Gajim was only "hidden" and reopened or Gajim was restarted, the window jumps back to its default position. And if you have activated the "Hide Title bar" option, you can no longer move the window at all. Is that how it's supposed to be? I'm just starting to use Gajim, so I have a question: Where can I find information about the settings or other useful information about Gajim? The FAQ/Wiki seems to be outdated or does not address certain points at all. ❓

rezantoon, there is a new Wayland protocol in the works for compositors to store the position of a particular window to restore it the next time, I think it’s the combinaison of https://wayland.app/protocols/xdg-toplevel-tag-v1 and https://wayland.app/protocols/xx-session-management-v1

rezantoon: hiding the title bar is for compositors using different means of "moving" windows. If you need a drag handle, don't disable the title bar.

I expect it to be implemented soon in both GTK and GNOME, and possibly later in other compositors.

> I expect it to be implemented soon in both GTK and GNOME, and possibly later in other compositors. that's good news

rezantoon: on wayland, we can only save window size, but there is no way to reposition a window

Until these extensions get supported. :)

First, I had to find out what the “Wayland Protocol” actually is. 🫠 It seems to be more relevant for Linux. However, if the changes are also implemented in GTK, I should also benefit from them as a Windows user, correct? So, should I just wait and see?

Ah, I don’t know anything about Windows, so nevermind me!

rezantoon: we're bound to what GTK, the framework gajim uses, is offering us. Window positioning was removed, so the only way for us to get this feature back on windows would be to use native windows functions for that. That's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to dive into :D ✏

Does that mean you are currently moving the window when you start Gajim? Every time you start it? Every day? With GTK itself, you can save the window position, can't you? Pidgin (GTK 2, I think) has been doing that for 20 years. And didn't Gajim do the same thing a few years ago? So GTK 4 is the problem? >> Oh, I see, they've removed that option. Does that mean everything with GTK 4 is affected? Including the “soon” to be released Pidgin 3? That's great news. :| So I have no choice but to write a script that moves the window for me after startup?That's unexpected for a software from 2025, but okay, that's just the way it is. ¯\(°_o)/¯

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rezantoon: as I said, we would need to implement native windows methods to move windows, yes

Looks like there are users, who even experience similar issues with native Windows apps, such as the Explorer :D https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3871904/why-doesnt-windows-11-remember-the-position-of-my?page=1#answers ✏

cal0pteryx: Yes, I understand that, and I also understand that this feature will not be implemented. Nevertheless, it's unexpected that something so simple isn't possible with GTK.

rezantoon: true

> will not be implemented That's me I'm speaking for. There may be contributors though

iNPUTmice keeps posting web+ap (activity pub) links web+ap://gultsch.social/@daniel/115145818902524305 According to https://fedi-to.github.io/webap.html web+ap:// translates to https:// Should we just replace it, when passing the url ot the browser? Otherwise, the browser won't be able to open it.

mesonium: if web-ap is a registered uri scheme, the system should handle it fine by itself

obiviously it's not the case on my Fedora 42 system. I haven't found any instructions how to fix it though.

Back to my original question: is there any info on what the different settings do? In my language, some settings are truncated and impossible to figure out. Are there translations files anywhere? That would be helpful, since you can't even change Gajim to a different language. At least not under Windows.

mesonium: at least gajim recognizes this scheme https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/blob/master/gajim/common/iana.py#L815

rezantoon: each setting comes with a description. If that's not sufficient, I would be interested which ones you find confusing

yeah, it's a clickable link in Gajim, but my system doesn't know how to open it and offers me to choose an application. Choosing Firefox, it tries to open "web+ap://..." as a website, which obviously doesn't work.

Gajim is translated to many languages. It orients itself by your system's language though

https://upload.xmpp.earth:5281/file_share/068b97f5-e0ed-7958-9c79-4fb53ac5c733/Screenshot%202025-09-04%20135932.png

Something like that.

So what do you think it does?

That's the thing, I have no idea. The options are “Disable,” “Something unreadable,” and “Every chat status”...

"Only typing notifications" is the missing entry. We could add a tooltip there, true. So the concept of "chat states" should be familiar to you? Other apps name it similarly, I think

cal0pteryx, if there's space, i.e. the dialog is wide enough, the button should expand, shouldn't it?

I would say for buttons, we should not ellipsize them ✏

It's a dropdown, which needs to be ellipsized at some point. Otherwise the longest option entry defines the dropdown width

Generally speaking, we should make labels as short and concise as possible

cal0pteryx: Well, I've been using Pidgin for the last 15+ years, so it's possible that I've missed a lot. Do you have an example of a different chat status? Are there any others besides “... is Typing”? But still: so there's no documentation of the settings? There are some options that are new to me and I would like to know what they do, such as “Media playback.” What information is shared by this, etc.?

is here voice test channel / echo bot?

gajim does not support voice chat anymore

ah so bad. i still see "audio" icon next to chat box

axet: that's for recording a voice mrssage ✏

axet: that's for recording a voice message ✏

on the sorting of the channel list. It seems to me, the sorting happens on starup

when new messages arrive in MUC that are further down, they will never be moved up to the end of the list of the chats that have new messages

lovetox, cal0pteryx, neox was doing a flood of join/parts here, it happens using both Monocles and Gajim, we debugged the XML logs together and saw nothing out of the ordinary.

It ends with this stanza though: <presence xmlns="jabber:client" to="*redacted*" from="gajim@conference.gajim.org/neox" type="unavailable"> <occupant-id xmlns="urn:xmpp:occupant-id:0" id="wpkcejLexdCtrT0kRLSNbS2Mmsvfumjm8PLHzBPDnlk=" /> <x xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user"> <status code="333" /> <item jid="*redacted*" affiliation="member" role="none" /> <status code="110" /> </x> <status>Kicked: bad request</status> </presence> ✏

I believe the issue comes from the server, so if you have access to its debug logs that would be helpful I think.

cal0pteryx, just asked Daniel how to handle web+ap:// links on the Desktop since he likes posting them:

https://share.conversations.im/meeson_/message/nNTKWiA7OqyRFrn7/Bildschirmfoto_20250904_144026.png

https://web.archive.org/web/20250804091936/http://fedilinks.org/

What can I say, it looks like a mess

😸 absolutely. ✏

Link Mauve: yes I saw this the server spams us with kicked presences

Have to write Asterix a mail

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Group chats: Fix resetting settings to default - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/4ffabfc951a666461742d019860addc2a6b5e718

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master change: PEP dialog: Add reload button - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/712e7f49588e11d7cfabec5e0ecd329d2f44571d