Gajim - 2025-08-13

Hello, I fixed some more strings in italian translation.

Thanks resoli

Hello, is it possible in Gajim to assign Moderator role without changing affiliation?

Yes

Right click and set role moderator

But the chat will not remember once the user leaves

> Right click and set role moderator Can't see that: ↺

https://share.conversations.im/resoli/message/GloT3LQ7RRxPq9XL/Video_del_13-08-2025_14_24_56.webm

I see `Kick..` and `Revoke Voice` only under `Moderation`

Hello here, I'm working on a monitoring module for Prosody and see that some caps like clients identities seems to always be a URL. For Gajim it's "https://gajim.org" for example. Do you know if it's something I can found in a XEP or if it's unspoken rules among XMPP clients to identify with the client website URL?

Hm.. maybe we thought it's not necessary. Why do you want to make someone moderator until he leaves?

Codimp: please ask in the xsf channel

lovetox, I can assign a member moderator role, without assigning Admin privileges

But they will not keep the role

Roles are not preserved across rejoins

> Codimp: please ask in the xsf channel is it "xsf@muc.xmpp.org" ? ↺

Codimp: yes

resoli: admitted?

lovetox, sorry: I refer to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#affil-change ✏

lovetox, sorry: I refer to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#roles-change ✏

Table 5: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#table-5 ✏

Transition from Visitor/Participant to Moderator: `Admin or owner grants moderator status`

I tried with Conversejs client and it is possible.

As side effect, I saw that the new Moderator becomes affiliated as Member

Retried, if the room is not Members only i can promote even a Visitor to Moderator. The Moderator role is preserved if that user leave an re-join the room

I didn't say its not possible

I said a role is not preserved

Across rejoins

Tried multiple times ...

So the question is why would you need this ✏

> The Moderator role is preserved if that user leave an re-join the room

That is, that user ha no affiliation, and moderator role

This is acorner case.

But in case I want to assign very limited moderation power to a Member, it can be definitely useful ✏

He can assign and revoke voice, or cick other non Admin participants ...

Is it a prosody server?

No, ejabberd

But I can try even on prosody, if needed

lovetox: FYI, if you are interested: Some more missing icons in Gajim on Debian trixie: - message corrected icon - select encryption (bottom right) - settings: left bar: icon for "Status" - user-is-writing notification icon - contact info dialog: left bar: icon for "Encryption (OMEMO)" - contact info dialog: information: icon on button "change nickname" Maybe more

> But I can try even on prosody, if needed Tried with prosody (snikket, really) and in that case Moderator role is *not* preserved across rejoin ↺

And, as you suggested, Prosody behavior is more adherent to xep-0045: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#associations > MUC also defines two different associations: long-lived affiliations and session-specific roles. These two association types are distinct from each other in MUC, since an affiliation lasts across visits, while a role lasts only for the duration of a visit.

zak: that's useful, thanks! We'll replace those with custom icons

> But in case I want to assign very limited moderation power to a Member, it can be definitely useful ... even if temporary ↺

not sure if this is relevant since Gajim 1.9.5 isn't the latest version, but while i was chatting with JavaScriptCore compiling in the background (maxing out cpu usage) it randomly entered a weird state where every message i send spawns an error dialog with this content: https://mindcore.kimapr.net/lappy/uploads/4d0a277975bb3117addd9f8e4852b252.txt

kimapr_: can not open your link

stefan: please raise a issue

Hi, I just noticed, that c&p still doesn't work (2.3.4) when using alt+print for the content of one window (win11). ✏

resoli: I don't agree as this being very useful. It's hard to tell users the difference between roles and affiliations. It seems overcomplicated, and that different servers behave differently about preserving the roles makes it even more problematic

There is also no functionality to request the roles of users

Simply make the user admin and be done with it. You trust the user anyway to not act bad. What is the risk here ? The moderator acting bad to 3 more users (admins)?

strange.. just tried it again on a different computer, there it works.. perhaps just ignore the issue.

lovetox: my apologies, my computer where the file is hosted is currently on fire (figuratively - it's suffering from severe thrashing)

i'll probably have to restart it forcibly, as i can't login on a tty (it times out) and ssh connections also time out, even if i attempt to disable the timeouts

lovetox: that sounds reasonable. ✏

Anyway, it is maybe the only missing things in Gajim administration functionalities.

somehow, me posting this video managed to crash my friend's gajim, made it blackscreen on gajim restart, and persist until it was far enough up in the scrollback it also didnt show the video and the following few messages at all, some sync issue?

https://upload.xmpp.earth:5281/file_share/0689ce51-2c19-7a84-aecd-cbd634d6b519/compiling.tar.gz

i put it in a tarball to avoid crashing anyone's client, but i have a feeling this could be the filename

(uploaded on gajim 2.2.0, received on 2.3.3)

nope does not crash my gajim

and we also dont do anything with mp4, like nothing, no preview or any processing at all

though im on linux, i guess your friend is on windows?

also we dont load any chats on start of Gajim, so i dont think that can be the reason for a black screen

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master imprv: ChatList: Sort messages with drafts to the top - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/d98a2c70b799e7b515b9ee113f29a782b75256c6

> nope does not crash my gajim very weird ↺

> though im on linux, i guess your friend is on windows? nah, archlinux ↺

> also we dont load any chats on start of Gajim, so i dont think that can be the reason for a black screen maybe it was some unrelated cache corruption? ↺

because it didn't crash me either

it just caused slight stuttering for me while scrolling up to it

> nah, archlinux i guess gentoo is just the most stable operating system 🤷 ↺