Gajim - 2025-07-25

hi, when you open up the emoji picker and select one the button remains selected, is that the expected beheaviour?

No it should close

But I think there is a issue Tracking this

I opened this one https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/12378, could not found any other mentioning, it's a duplicate?

Use a separate system app?

Alright, let's correct 2 of you.

mesonium, lovetox: PNG can do HDR/EXIF data as per new specs. https://www.phoronix.com/news/PNG-Specification-2025 ✏

usd69.99: I missing the context for your comment

lovetox: A dev, is Gajim updated or its lib?

>> we just need to configure to accept image data > But that might convert the image again, resulting in *loosing* eg *exif or hdr* data if eg _converted_ to *png?* Here be the context.

Thought it was clear and resent enough by itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hello everyone. Gajim installed spam on one of my users on its own without my permission, how to remove it and why did he do it?

It's surprising PNG got updated, haven't happened in decades...

libre: what do you mean by "Spam"

libre: What? This like to say a dog booth has installed a cat.

Bizarre.

https://xmpp.pimux.de/file_share/068835a9-d76c-727c-868a-33336bba581c/spam_g.png

Yes, "spam" what? It makes no sense, Gajim does not install.

Ah, an image, let see.

It's an icon, wonderful.

> https://xmpp.pimux.de/file_share/068835a9-d76c-727c-868a-33336bba581c/spam_g.png what did the text said when you hover this icon with the mouse? ↺

( Also, a sidenote, in English everything non-living is "it," not "he," OK. Doing "he"/"she"/"they" randomly can confuse others. )

> what did the text said when you hover this icon with the mouse? I'll try to take a screenshot. ↺

> I'll try to take a screenshot. you can also write it if it's more convenient ↺

Maybe it's an Anti-Spam thing feature, don't have Linux run at the moment.

I can't make a quick screenshot, but the point is that the server has assigned it and contact the server operator

It's probably able to help improve usability, ideally users shouldn't be confused by signs.

The incident itself, not the sign. It highlights it has a room for improvement so that a user won't need to ask if it's understood.

Will try to reg on Pimux.de and see what it does.

No luck, disabled after 2024, it said. O.o

> The incident itself, not the sign. It highlights it has a room for improvement so that a user won't need to ask if it's understood. Do you mean to change the server? Do I make a new registration and write to my friend to see if the same spam icon is? ↺

It has this, maybe good to ask them what the thing are they doing and why:

xmpp:pimux@muc.pimux.de?join=1

> It has this, maybe good to ask them what the thing are they doing and why: Okay, I understand you ↺

> Do you mean to change the server? Do I make a new registration and write to my friend to see if the same spam icon is? It's the operator according to own words, so either deal with them to stop that or switch the server, yes, it seems.

Ah, alright.

Tech is such a headache field.

lovetox: Any plans to deploy on XR/VR environments, or lack the funds, expertise, etc? It is getting overrun by proprietary due to that.

It cannot be deployed as is in it, needs a tailored GUI/etc. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ✏

That also means a GUI dev _must_be familiar with the tech deeply, be immune to Cybersickness, not broke monetarily, have very long-term experience in the area... a rare ask and is highly-highly unlikely, more difficult than other areas to work at, more experimantal, but it does not have any sort of XMPP at the moment and it'll be missing a good opportunity to ignore that

_Personally_ do not care, it's more in general, highlighting your oversight. To us, as long as we the Furry subculture do run the major VR chats like VRChat (biggest feats) and Resonite, all is golden and accomidating as it should be, but you are not us and so are the others, the rest may benefit from XMPP.

Moving off.

> /me is confused wierd ↺

The emoji picker, is only searchable by English keywords (which is my $LANG). When I use a different keyboard layout and spellchecker for a chat e.g. russian, it is still searchable only by English keywords, so i have to switch the keyboard layout back to US. Is this an GTK issue? Is it even an issue? May be I'm missing the gnome-emoji-picker-ru package? ✏

> The emoji picker, is only searchable by English keywords (which is my $LANG). When I use a different keyboard layout and spellchecker for a chat e.g. russian, it is still searchable only by English keywords, so i have to switch the keyboard layout back to US. Is this an GTK issue? Is it even an issue? May be I'm missing the gnome-emoji-picker-ru package? GTK utilizes the $LANG variable for emoji searches rather than relying on your keyboard layout, which is the intended and expected behavior on any system/UI toolkit. However, it relies on emojibase for searching localized emoji keywords. ✏ ↺

> which is the intended and expected behavior on any system/UI toolkit. It's only expected behavior if you are American and speak only one language.

> It's only expected behavior if you are American and speak only one language. I don’t agree. Keyboard layouts are designed around writing systems, not individual languages. For example, many speakers of Russia’s minority languages use the ru_RU layout because it contains every Cyrillic character they need, but they might not use it to type in Russian.

i would also say that is intended, never heard that a keyboard layout changes the language of the application

but i understand that this can be a problem with some combinations

> > It's only expected behavior if you are American and speak only one language. > I don’t agree. Keyboard layouts are designed around writing systems, not individual languages. For example, many speakers of Russia’s minority languages use the ru_RU layout because it contains every Cyrillic character they need, but they might not use it to type in Russian. лол, вронг ↺

but no easy solution comes to mind, i mean it does not matter how you do, some will have a problem

ira: you are just trying to defend american as default

kalkin, there is no default, it searches in the language you have set on your system

> but no easy solution comes to mind, i mean it does not matter how you do, some will have a problem actually i have halve a dozen solutions in mind, but never mind as long as it's not a gajim issue it's irrelevant here ↺

> kalkin, there is no default, it searches in the language you have set on your system it's not a technical default, it's the assumption that if it works for americans it should work for everyone. they are the least educated western populace ↺

you think that application dont change their translation when a keyboard layout is switched is an american invention?

> you think that application dont change their translation when a keyboard layout is switched is an american invention? no i think it the usual lazy response similar to "works for me" ↺

but like i said, not a gajim issue, so no need to discuss it further

i mean there are about 7,5 billion people that are not american, i guess if it would be a pressing problem they should find a solution themself or

> i mean there are about 7,5 billion people that are not american, i guess if it would be a pressing problem they should find a solution themself or no, gnome needs to find a solution, because they use their dominant market position to shove their way of doing computing in the face of everyone ↺

> i mean there are about 7,5 billion people that are not american And of those about a hundred who use gajim

ok the Troll™ arrived, the discussion is over.

>> i mean there are about 7,5 billion people that are not american, i guess if it would be a pressing problem they should find a solution themself or > no, gnome needs to find a solution, because they use their dominant market position to shove their way of doing computing in the face of everyone Correct, also gnome has been actively user hostile for a while now ↺

i know that its not a Gajim problem, it just was suprising that you attributed how this works so fast to "american ignorance"

chud: i just recently wondered in CO where you have gone

> i know that its not a Gajim problem, it just was suprising that you attributed how this works so fast to "american ignorance" because instead of an: hmm interesting, yes it's an issue, the answer was: works as intendent, this is what people expect. Which is just wrong if you ever used multiple keyboard layouts in Android with it's emojipicker ↺

the answer showed that ira has no idea what they are talking about

i think you can interpret "intended and expected behavior" as "it was designed this way, and it worked always this way"

this makes no declaration if the design is good and solves all problems of users

at least i read it that way

you seemed immediatly jumped to the conclusion that ira wants to tell you that you dont have a valid problem

> > It's only expected behavior if you are American and speak only one language. > I don’t agree. Keyboard layouts are designed around writing systems, not individual languages. For example, many speakers of Russia’s minority languages use the ru_RU layout because it contains every Cyrillic character they need, but they might not use it to type in Russian. lovetox: this? ↺

It is of course wrong.

yes, you countered with "only americans have a problem with that" and ira gave an example where a non-american using a non-american keyboard layout has a usecase where they dont want to switch the app language based on the keyboard layout

> yes, you countered with "only americans have a problem with that" and ira gave an example where a non-american using a non-american keyboard layout has a usecase where they dont want to switch the app language based on the keyboard layout and the example was wrong. because there is more then just the keyboard layout, there is also a spell checker ↺

I don't think a Cyrillic-using language exists that doesn't have letters not represented in the Russian alphabet.

> I don't think a Cyrillic-using language exists that doesn't have letters not represented in the Russian alphabet. bulgarian? ↺

again that makes no declaration that your use case is invalid, just that dividing people into americans and non-americans is not good to describe the problem

ukrainian?

> again that makes no declaration that your use case is invalid, just that dividing people into americans and non-americans is not good to describe the problem You want to defend ira above all? thats fine, dont care. ↺

kalkin: Oh, I'll give you Bulgarian. Not Ukrainian.

XRevan86: i think it was ukrainians who had `i` and `и` wasnt it?

or am i confusing it?

XRevan86: Іі, Її, Єє

> I don't think a Cyrillic-using language exists that doesn't have letters not represented in the Russian alphabet. Chechen, Yakut, plenty of them ↺

Ґґ. And ' could count as a letter.

my experience from 2 decades working with computers is just that everything around languages and timezones is incredibly hard to solve, and probalby can never be solved for everyone all the time, so simplifing it to "bad americans" is a bit shallow

ohh no this was Turkic which diferentiate between i with dot and without. which can actually make a literal difference between life and death. people were killed over using the wrong letter, because it was a deep familial insult.

can we please come back to Gajim?

chud: Ӏӏ in Chechen, Ҕҕ, Ҥҥ, Өө, Һһ, Үү in Yakut.

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Message input: Grab focus after selecting emoji - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/6fbf5b664287307d0fa141443ecec80abcd3fdda