Gajim - 2025-07-23

Why is Gajim packaged by Fedora (in both RPM and Flatpak formats) very outdated?

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Nawan, I think it's because of Protof: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2210415#c16 But signs are good that with F43 the situation will become better: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf_5.x/6.x

Nawan, around Fedora Flatpaks there's whole other discussion

Ah, at first i think its orphan.

you better rely on Flathub instead

Yeah, I decided to switch to Flathub. Luckily, I use Fedora Flatpak, so migration is smooth.

> can you be any more specific as to what your issue is? theres no emoji in the reacts or picker, i posted ab it a few days ago too ↺

https://upload.rizz.moe/file_share/uLIhdBBUSFRWwukqNr0822Gv/0d8c04af-7b34-488c-99fd-fbfabe8dca4e.png

https://upload.rizz.moe/file_share/zPtjqG7w2dAgYWTePKBO_v7P/2ff320e5-7b95-49eb-a05e-5eb89e4c7983.png

they show up properly when others use them and when typing :

hau, which Gajim version and OS do you use?

2.3.3 (Unix/Linux)

flatpak version

Can you check which gtk version? Other emojis render fine?

``` GTK Version: 4.18.6 Adw Version: 1.7.5 GLib Version: 2.84.3 Pango Version: 1.56.4 PyGObject Version: 3.52.3 cairo Version: 1.18.4 pycairo Version: 1.28.0 python-nbxmpp Version: 6.2.0 libsoup Version: 3.6.5 ```

emojis show up fine in chat and everywhere else, it's just the picker taht doesn't work

https://upload.rizz.moe/file_share/Sr7KAtIq1gfyxxv5vpmf9d2L/9e687c38-91d5-460c-a65f-e1f848f8f1ed.png

https://upload.rizz.moe/file_share/FVQMwtE-4IQChVWT3l5SqvZh/b01f67aa-c516-4b9e-8367-c0ccf8830cc7.png

~/.var/app/org.gajim.Gajim/config/glib-2.0/settings ``` ... [org/gtk/gtk4/settings/emoji-chooser] recently-used-emoji=[(([127837], 'spaghetti', 'spaghetti', ['food', 'meatballs', 'pasta', 'restaurant']... ```

could try clearing this

clearing that file didn't fix it

is it normal that Gajim forgot my password?

No

okay then ill watch it if happens again

hello everyone. i have been facing a problem with chat sync across devices in gajim. i am using gajim on arch and vanilla os and monocles on android. i logged into my account using gajim client on a fresh device today but i cant see any chat history for any of my group chats except one (FSCI for those who know) and that too only shows the history for the last couple of days only. same for the personal chats, it only shows me last few days of chat history. i can see almost all of my chat history on monocles though. gajim on arch shows me broken chat history as well for some reason. can someone help me debug this issue? this is probably the biggest and most annoying issue i am facing right now with xmpp.

Gajim Pullis only 24 hours of a group chat on first join

You cannot change this

Afterwards you can set the sync rules in the chat settings

> Afterwards you can set the sync rules in the chat settings yeah i have set it to "no threshold" but all groups are still empty except the one i talked about. some personal chats are showing me history upto july 20th, others are showing upto 17-18th. ✏ ↺

> Afterwards you can set the sync rules in the chat settings yeah i have set it to "no threshold" but all groups are still empty except the one i talked about. some personal chats are showing me history upto july 20th, others till 17-18th. ✏ ↺

Then there was no activity in the chat the last 24 hours

That's expected then, as said no matter the setting you can not pull more than 24 hours on first join ✏

so you are saying there is no way i can get all my chat history in a new device or if i relogin (or reset) on my device? do other clients support loading chat history on new devicess? ✏

so you are saying there is no way i can get all my chat history in a new device or if i relogin (or reset) on my device? do other clients support loading chat history on new devices? ✏

Xmpp support for message synchronization is flimsy at best. For example, you cannot even tell how much your server stores to begin with, maybe it doesn't even store anything at all. Clients neither load the whole message history from the server nor can they, for example, search the history on the server without fetching it. So you're kind of expecting that which isn't to be expected here.

chud: I think searching in the server is possible https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0431.html

And which clients implement it?

chud: nothing in your message is correct, I don't know why you are trying always to tell us how bad the protocol is.

Of course always things could be easier to implement and people work on it. I would not say that Gajims limitations are because of the protocol.

I don't know why you think a client cannot load the whole history that's literally the most easy thing to do

But the question is, what user wants to sync thousands of messages that they never need.

> But the question is, what user wants to sync thousands of messages that they never need. me ↺

i didn't say it cannot, i said clients don't do that. nor did I say server-side message search wasn't impossible in theory, I said it isn't done in practice

cause u don't know if u might need it

> But the question is, what user wants to sync thousands of messages that they never need. yeah but it should load on demand at least? on gajim chat (and other groups), it shows "scroll up to load more chat history" but nothing happens. on personal chats it just simply shows "no history" ↺

chud: then you should not say xmpp, as that is a protocol. That's like saying http doesn't do x, when you mean Firefox and chrome

srtk: yes that's definitely a feature we want to have, and also can have, it on the list of things I want to implement.

Okay, I could have been more specific and said XMPP software doesn't support this and that, If you want to be overly picky about it. Although it is quite obvious that that is what was meant as that is what the users really care about. The end user doesn't care that the specification allows something that isn't even implemented anywhere.

> srtk: yes that's definitely a feature we want to have, and also can have, it on the list of things I want to implement. good to hear and thanks for your contribution. ↺

chud: it was not clear to me because you often also rant in jdev and xsf about these things. Im perfectly fine with the user wish to have this in Gajim.

> Okay, I could have been more specific and said XMPP software doesn't support this and that, If you want to be overly picky about it. Although it is quite obvious that that is what was meant as that is what the users really care about. The end user doesn't care that the specification allows something that isn't even implemented anywhere. obviously not obvious

Regardless of how obvious it is, does the user care about the difference?

"Yeah, that's not possible, but I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW there is this page online where it describes how it could potentially be done!"

why does gajim use triple the ram it did a few years ago, yet has mostly the same features? (~200 -> ~600 megabytes)

That's modern software for you, most likely not even gajim's fault but gtk's.

Nah if it was modern it'd be written in ReactJS

Probably wouldn't consume much more ram anyway

ah alr, so basically more bloated gnome garbage?

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