Gajim - 2025-07-18

> That would be great! 🙂 > Just in case, it's issue number 11767 👍 ↺

> That would be great! 🙂 > Just in case, it's issue number 11767 Juan M: saw your comment 🙏 ↺

> How do I send a message with a spoiler tag ? > example > this is a message with a spoiler: ▒▒▒▒▒▒ Simple, you do not. ↺

I personally consider this formatting feature to be useless and unnecessary, but it may be added in the future to Gajim and other clients.

If you want to, you can create an "issue" on Gajim's Gitlab to request this feature. ✏

Thisnis standardized and there is a proof of concept plugin for gajim. But I've never had a look at it

Pasting an image from the clipboard in order to send it doesn't work for me. Version 2.3.3 on Windows. Was it removed or it's a bug?

> Pasting an image from the clipboard in order to send it doesn't work for me. Version 2.3.3 on Windows. Was it removed or it's a bug? works for me with the 2.3.3 portable version ↺

Problem: I'm in a non-anonymous MUC and one of the users appears as "X" to me, while their real nickname is "Y". When I type "X", they don't get a mention notification, because I would have to write "Y". But I can't really know about that. (Well, they told me.) Any idea, what's going wrong in my Gajim 2.3.3?

Hello, is there a way to export OMEMO trust decisions from one Gajim installation to another?

> Hello, is there a way to export OMEMO trust decisions from one Gajim installation to another? There is a XEP (standard) for that, but TTBOMK only Kaidan does support it, no other client. ↺

> Problem: I'm in a non-anonymous MUC and one of the users appears as "X" to me, while their real nickname is "Y". When I type "X", they don't get a mention notification, because I would have to write "Y". But I can't really know about that. (Well, they told me.) Any idea, what's going wrong in my Gajim 2.3.3? Oh, now I read, that they also see themselve as "X". Will check the details before making more noise here. ↺

gimmi: only if you migrate the installation to a new device. If the device is an additional one then no

scompo: some apps don't work we added a fix for the next version. With what app so do you have the problem?

Sorry I meant ivan

> With what app so do you have the problem? I found the problem with Irfanview. I've also tested with Libreoffice-Writer and it works correctly in this case.

> Oh, now I read, that they also see themselve as "X". Will check the details before making more noise here. Just for the record: Problem solved by X leaving and re-joining the MUC. Different nickname was maybe introduced by other client (maybe Prose). ↺

FWIW I'm also using the portable version

ivan: thanks will check if the fix also works for irfanview

Gtk inspector offers insights to clipboard contents (global tab, I think). There we can see available mime types for images contained in the current clipboard. image/png and image/bmp are supported in the next gajim version

You might want to add support for image/jpeg, image/gif, image/webp, image/avif, image/svg+xml, and possibly for video and audio formats as well.

Very unlikely that something puts this raw in a clipboard

> You might want to add support for image/jpeg, image/gif, image/webp, image/avif, image/svg+xml, and possibly for video and audio formats as well. You might want to understand what those technically are, the backend and the privacy and security implementations and risk an ✏ ↺

But it's not clear to me why we have any limitation on mimetype

> You might want to add support for image/jpeg, image/gif, image/webp, image/avif, image/svg+xml, and possibly for video and audio formats as well. You might want to understand what those technically are, the backend and the privacy and security implementations and to the user they might be only a picture or video but there a lot more ✏ ↺

It's just for uploading we should just pass mime type and bytes on to the server

> Gtk inspector offers insights to clipboard contents (global tab, I think). There we can see available mime types for images contained in the current clipboard. image/png and image/bmp are supported in the next gajim version S ↺

> Gtk inspector offers insights to clipboard contents (global tab, I think). There we can see available mime types for images contained in the current clipboard. image/png and image/bmp are supported in the next gajim version So its spying on what you doing locally on your device then ↺

lovetox, why would it be unlikely? I routinely copy or dnd AVIF images between programs, it’s the image format I mainly use nowadays.

Although on Linux I don’t think I have any such issue.

You copy a file then the file link is put into the clipboard not the content

It depends I think, from Firefox when you right click > Copy Image instead of Copy Image Link, you end up with the raw file.

Yeah maybe, as said I don't know why we have any restriction

I just tested, when I select Copy Image in Firefox, in Wayland I see this whole list of MIME types being offered: [4042804.526] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("audio/x-riff") [4042804.534] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/webp") [4042804.541] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/jxl") [4042804.547] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/avif") [4042804.554] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/tiff") [4042804.561] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/jpeg") [4042804.568] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("text/ico") [4042804.574] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/icon") [4042804.581] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/ico") [4042804.587] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("application/ico") [4042804.594] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/vnd.microsoft.icon") [4042804.604] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/x-win-bitmap") [4042804.614] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/x-ico") [4042804.623] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/x-icon") [4042804.632] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/x-MS-bmp") [4042804.641] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/x-bmp") [4042804.650] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/bmp") [4042804.659] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("image/png") [4042804.668] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("text/_moz_htmlcontext") [4042804.676] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("text/_moz_htmlinfo") [4042804.685] {Default Queue} wl_data_offer#4278190080.offer("text/html")

I don’t think all of them will work though, like wtf is audio/x-riff doing here?

That's the point! We only allow to process mime types known to work with gtk's internal "get data from clipboard" function. This is not related to file upload mime types. Most programms provide image/png anyway, so be use that. Now some only provide image/bmp, so I added that

I would _not_ pass all mime types through, because that may very well fail later in the chain

cal0pteryx, but that will cause the AVIF file to be converted to PNG, possibly losing all HDR, animation, etc. information, and make the file much bigger.

And also waste CPU time decoding the AV1 and encoding the PNG, whereas you could just send the bytes as is.

Link Mauve: we don't convert anything

The sender does, that’s how those MIME lists work.

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When the user selects Copy Image, Firefox already knows which formats it’s capable of converting to, so it advertises them all to the compositor. Then Gajim gets that list from the compositor, and picks the format it wants Firefox to convert to.

And then when the user asks for the paste, Firefox and Gajim get two ends of a pipe, and Firefox starts converting the format and streams the bytes in the pipe, which Gajim receives.

I'm not interested in any conversion, but I don't see a way in the gtk api to request data without conversion

> cal0pteryx, but that will cause the AVIF file to be converted to PNG, possibly losing all HDR, animation, etc. information, and make the file much bigger. I forgot that the superior AVIF existed, Discord made me forget about it, lol. ✏ ↺

Seems we just have to pass every mime type known to man

lovetox, I’m talking about it in #wayland, apparently the list should be ordered rather than unordered (here it clearly isn’t), and there is no notion of priority currently.

> gimmi: only if you migrate the installation to a new device. If the device is an additional one then no How can I migrate an installation? I just move ~/.config/gajim and ~/.local/share/gajim? ↺

Tbh, this made me want to try to implement the XEP, but I know I will never have enough time to do it 😢

gimmi: yes that's it

lovetox: the providing application converts it afaik. But still, gtk needs to support processing the format supplied. So I opted for a strict list of known to be working mime types

I do t think that's the case, I dont see why gtk needs to understand the format

From where do you get that impression?

lovetox, if you want to display it in addition to sending it to the recipient I guess.

No, then Gajim would need to understand it, not gtk

Afterwards gajim can think about what it does with the data, pass it to Gtk for a preview or display a placeholder icon

But this happens all after we get data from the clipboard

Would be a pretty stupid clipboard api if it would be limited to stuff Gtk understands

I think it's because we use the get_image api ✏

Which returns a pixbuf, which probably depends on pixbuf loaders understanding the format

But we should simply use get_content, we don't need a pixbuf

X11 uses offite servers to do the backend procesing of graphics using ssh , and somehow people think this is not a problem, lol ✏

That's an (optional) feature

X11 uses offsitd servers to do the backend procesing of graphics using ssh , and somehow people think this is not a problem, lol ✏

X11 uses offsite servers to do the backend procesing of graphics using ssh , and somehow people think this is not a problem, lol ✏

pup xmpp earth, you can use waypipe to achieve the same as ssh -X on Wayland.

> That's an (optional) feature When anything is a option thats hidden behind the scene thats not disclosed and does something as privacy damaging as sharing your screan ✏ ↺

> That's an (optional) feature When anything is a option thats hidden behind the scene thats not disclose thats its does something as privacy damaging as sharing your screen , thats a issue ✏ ↺

> That's an (optional) feature When anything is a option thats hidden behind the scene thats not disclose thats its does something as privacy damaging as sharing your screen , thats a serious issue. ✏ ↺

> That's an (optional) feature When anything is a option thats hidden behind the scene thats not disclose thats its does something as privacy damaging as sharing your screen , thats a serious issue. ✏ ↺

Is this about X11 forwarding? The option that is off by default? https://man.openbsd.org/sshd_config#X11Forwarding

mesonium, an alternative explanation would be (to continue the discussion) that Cheogram expects a different ID for subsequent edits

editing the original message vs. editing the edit

I faintly recall a debate about this

Maybe this should be better discussed in the Cheogram Dev Room or XFS Room or Modern XMPP room as it's more generic and touches all clients

mesonium, I'm not in cheogram and didn't find you in the others :)

(because I didn't think of them, honestly)

(I tried a bunch of others, though)

>> That's an (optional) feature > When anything is a option thats hidden behind the scene thats not disclosed and does something as privacy damaging as sharing your screan that's not how any of that works though, there's nothing privacy damaging with how X works or running X over ssh ↺

jonas’: I'm not joined all chats all the time :) can't invest time into reading everything, but let me know where to discuss it and I join the channel. Just joined the cheogram dev channel

mesonium, I opened the discussion in jdev@muc.xmpp.org now, but I'll step away from the keyboard for a while now.

ok this clipboard api is weird, it does not tell you what the mime type of the data is in the clipboard, it just offers you a bunch of conversions

ah read_async

> The clipboard will choose the most suitable mime type from the given list to fulfill the request, preferring the ones listed first.

and then it tells you the mime type it chose

but i still need to tell it mime types, so it seems impossible to tell it to return the original mime type

>> The clipboard will choose the most suitable mime type from the given list to fulfill the request, preferring the ones listed first. So your clipboard is being saved, scanned, and stats if the usage is being shared and logs will be made something that's not required for the clipboard to work ↺

> Also water is wet, thanks for your valuable input Only simple minded people think things are black & white and simple. There is a glass of water for people like that. Start drinking 'water' H30 heavy 'water' and see how long someone would live, there both water

Oh so this is a spammer from another room with a different nick, makes sense now

Only a spammer would quote/reply to a message from another room elsewhere where it was equally offtopic, this'll be my last message about this

ok i checked with gtk folks, and it seems wayland does not have that feature

you cannot ask the provider of the original data of what type the data is

I did not spam anything you lie about things you dont know anything about, ya that makes sense, your the cause of the problem why i cant post in the other room not me ✏

you can just create somekind of best to worst list, and pass it, and hope the data is not in some kind of format where you have a losey conversion

yikes, yet another huge blocker to Wayland becoming usable

funny what the content providers offer

for example copying a webp image, i can convert it to

'audio/x-riff', 'image/webp', 'image/tiff', 'text/ico', 'image/icon', 'image/ico', 'application/ico', 'image/vnd.microsoft.icon', 'image/x-win-bitmap', 'image/x-ico', 'image/x-icon', 'image/x-MS-bmp', 'image/x-bmp', 'image/bmp', 'image/jpeg', 'image/png', 'text/_moz_htmlcontext', 'text/_moz_htmlinfo', 'text/html']

the clipboard is like a super converter

you want just the audio stream from a webp? no problem

pick the worst possible format always, what would that be there? tiff ?

also didn't realize icon was text/ico yowza

worst possible format for a picture is probably audio :D

You either get RGB 8-bit music or an AI generated image description ✏

I'm thinking text/_moz_htmlinfo could possibly be worse but I've literally never heard of it

ok seems svg is not offered at all if you copy a svg image

at least in firefox

that seems crazy, I'm very curious if this is a gnome or gtk or Wayland thing

its a firefox thing as i understand it

or maybe Firefox

i just tested with chrome

it offers

['text/x-moz-url', 'chromium/x-source-url', 'chromium/x-internal-source-rfh-token', 'image/png', 'text/html', 'MULTIPLE', 'SAVE_TARGETS', 'TARGETS', 'TIMESTAMP']

also no svg :D

did you try copying an svg from chromium or a file picker or something?

no you need to copy it from a website

dolphin in KDE for example

of course if i copy a file on my harddisk it will only send the path to the file on disk

this is no problem

but people copy data from other applications

most of the time websites

Hu speaking of Firefox .. https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2025/07/03/pipewire-workshop-2025-updates-video-transport-rust-bluetooth/ > next step is to improve the format negotiation. Unfortunately, this is easier said than done, because some applications (like Firefox) seem to have very strange format requirements and expectations.

hm maybe we should simply ask the user :D

wouldn't get less complex and weird :D

it seems the problem with windows is simply it does not offer conversion to png, which i think we have to do ourself ✏

it just passes a bitmap

i mean it seems the conversion thing is a kind of feature, we could offer a context menu that says "Paste as ..."

and then open a dialog where the user can choose some of the popular mimetypes

and for standard paste, we just convert everything to png

firefox sadly seems to offer the same mime types independent of what you copy

it says it can convert everything to audio, even if you just copy a png file

What happens if you choose audio for a PNG?

hm, i have problem getting any data currently seems to segfault the whole time

Gajim 2.2.0 when you disable an account and re-enable it, it clears all your PMs and only the mucs appear... has this been fixed in the current version?

lovetox: but what's the problem right now? I guess most apps offer png/bmp and the rest is converted. Good enough for me if it means Works Everytime™ ✏

alex_: no because it's not a bug. Don't disable your account.

cal0pteryx, after finding out how crazy clipboard stuff is, i think what we are doing now is fine

read_async, segfaults the whole time or yields and empty byte string

so even if we wanted we could do not much else

I vaguely remember that I went that path as well once. But only now by reading this :D

i can't quote/reply to messages in a muc in gajim 2.3.3, is this a bug or removed feature?

Is MAM disabled in that room?

no

I meant in the room ironcastor is talking about

what's MAM?

Message archive management. It’s an XMPP extension that lets you receive message history after you were offline

yes it's disabled

That’s probably the reason replies and reactions won’t work in that room

yes replies need MAm

reactions need a feature called occupant-id

you need to ask with your server support how you can enable both

or if its not your server, you can ask the admin

so i need to ask the server owner to enable MAM and occupant-id?

for the whole muc

is it a MUC on the same server you have registered an account?

No

ok ... and this muc is important to you why? You can create a groupchat on your own server

i mean of course you can ask the admin of a different server to enable features .. maybe they do it

if not, and these features are very important to you, i suggest moving the groupchat to a server which does support these features

i put ">" before a message and it quotes

yes thats a quote not a reply

you can also paste copied text as quote via context menu

oh i see

lovetox: I have found a problem on website: https://gajim.org/ -> News -> https://gajim.org/posts/ but there is https://gajim.org/post/ and more: https://gajim.org/post/page/2/ etc

yes thanks its known

we need to delete those

lovetox, it was a bit confusing because i couldn't see the "quote" option in the 3 dots list of a message

You need to redirect: - https://gajim.org/post/ to https://gajim.org/posts/ - https://gajim.org/post/page/2/ etc to https://gajim.org/posts/page/2/ etc

> alex_: no because it's not a bug. Don't disable your account. oh... ↺

I usually disable accounts when I only want to connect to one at one time :/

alex_, click the account avatar, set the status of the account to offline

oh... that is how you do it.

What is the purpose of disabling accounts then?

yeah i asked myself the same question a few days ago

something in between going simply offline and removing all data of an account forever

its probably more a developer thing, but not 100% sure