Gajim - 2025-06-24

> you would need to look at debug logs, but if you cant download any http link in Gajim, sounds like something is wrong with your machine certs and do you know how i can fix this? ↺

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master cfix: Windows: Fix tray icon and pystray stubs - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/fb0b4ae893062adb8ff2b94e1f9dceee80cea2e7

my: check view debug console for errors and post them here

Also which Windows Version are you running?

I've had this issue before and I'm having it now. My account worked fine when I registered it, but now it fails to connect (this one, writing from bitlbee). It works with another account I've recently registered (not this one). Is this a reported issue?

No, you need to enable dubug logs and check what the problem is ✏

lovetox: ok, it's good to know it's just me. Just wanted to make sure this wasn't happening with others. I don't use gajim as my main client.

wurstsalat: Just did a fresh installation on a new MacBook and one Brew dependency was missing from https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/wikis/help/Gajim-on-macOS : libadwaita ✏

Thanks

Just updated

Re: OMEMO How uptodate is the OMEMO/encryption implementation on Gajim? omemo-dr looks like an abandoned project compared to https://github.com/Syndace/python-omemo/blob/main/CHANGELOG.md

Afaik omemo is built into newer gajim versions

luca, thanks for answering, but "AFAIK" does not satisfy me, and it is hard to find any answers in docs.

https://gajim.org/posts/2023-05-27-gajim-1.8.0-released/

luca, readin your link: "In preparation for future changes (e.g. the next OMEMO version) ..." So what now?

yperlion: omemo-dr is Gajim's omemo library. It is up to date in the sense that it implements the spec in version 0.3.0

python-omemo is a different library, which does not work with the framework Gajim uses

OMEMO version 0.3.0?

> OMEMO version 0.3.0? yes

The most commonly implemented version of omemo

Isn't that outdated?

There are newer versions of omemo, but very few clients implement these.

So why not improving on that instead of binky-blinky GUI?

There needs to be a critical mass for the ecosystem to move. Or many projects supporting both 0.3.0 and >=0.8.0

Hmm, 0.8.0 looks newer to me than 0.3.0

> So why not improving on that instead of binky-blinky GUI? What are you implying?

> > So why not improving on that instead of binky-blinky GUI? > What are you implying? Allocation of manpower ↺

If Gajim implements 0.8.0 it can use it with which clients?

Gajim?

Which improvements do you expect come with later omemo versions?

and probably others ... you are more in the business I guess ✏

Or is it just the version number that's interesting?

Why is project OMEMO improving? Come on, you know what version numbers are telling you.

What I do hear is that improvement of encryption projects get voluntarily stalled, because there is an interest that it does not get too good and bugs do not get fixed.

AFAIK OMEMO 0.8.0 (or 0.8.3) encrypts whole stanza while 0.3.0 encrypts only message body. Encryption doesn't get stronger but more things are encrypted ✏

e.g emoji reaction, read notifications or write notification (I think)

Marc, thanks for your input. And that is important, because it's all about METADATA. That is the interessting thing. Who with whom when and where.

I'm not sure OMEMO 0.8.3 protects these metadata, actually the server has to know whom you write to deliver the message ✏

But sure I'm sad we're stuck on 0.3.0

> If Gajim implements 0.8.0 it can use it with which clients? Now only to Gajim itself and some not very used clients like Kaidan but this would give an impulsion to other projects' devs ↺

So true!

What I'd expect from project devels is "OK, we look into it and try to improve" instead of asking "Or is it just the version number that's interesting?" ✏

Yes but keep in mind they are volunteers and not a business corporation

A common OSS excuse.

They may lack time or money

Isn't there OMEMO 0.9.0 nowadays?

Give us a link please

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html#revision-history-v0.9.0

On the side of Conversations, Daniel Gultsch and his team don't have knowledge to write needed cryptographical library, that's what blocks them. I don't know what's the situation for Gajim's team

> A common OSS excuse. Feel free to help them ↺

> What I'd expect from project devels is "OK, we look into it and try to improve" instead of asking "Or is it just the version number that's interesting?" Newer omemo versions are planned, but not a priority at the moment.

Generally it's a good idea to ask what people expect from certain specs before engaging in further discussions.

Hmm, so I'd prefer not porting Gajim to the FreeBSD ports and wait util that happened.

Not sure what to make of that statement

> Not sure what to make of that statement Preferring XMPP clients that are more uptodate with OMEMO and encryption. ↺

https://xmpp.org/extensions/#xep-0384-implementations here is an overview of clients and their implemented omemo versions

Note that this list also covers servers and libraries

cal0pteryx, thanks for this valuable link! Oh how disillusioning: https://xmpp.org/software/python-nbxmpp/ I'd love to see Gajim on the edge rather than at the end. ✏

What?

what was the purpose of changing the local storage of history? just for my information. made an update today.

to enable new features

which are to come?

no they are already here

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wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master cfix: Add missing pystray dependency to pyproject.toml - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/f2efb2f4fb10798ef71f646c551a5e5ab2775077

ah, that makes sense

> What? maybe it's strange because in this page it says the lib implement the omemo xep version 0.1 instead of 0.3 ↺

Ah, I missed that. Time to update the file I guess :)

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch python-nbxmpp/master other: DOAP: Update supported OMEMO version - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/0f8901ab5927a5a0ba2a4bc7bdb26cb6342b04c5

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master new: Main: Improve init process - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/7f27d7467a0798045a1e852fd696790d7df14929

wurstsalat pushed 3 commits to branch gajim/master cfix: Settings: Update value after closing DialogSetting - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/a5212aeb10f60bd9f5714d3d2b5adfff5f454b41 refactor: Plugins: Replace Pixbuf with Paintable - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/caca1ab7b83a34542696def65fa585965de646d8 cfix: Plugins: Fix leak - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/d7d39599c78da10811c6fa3f2896ff1616c1325f

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master change: Raise PyGObject version - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/a3f7eed07d5cb148395fb2b1757a493173b8817f

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master cfix: Icons: Make new icons work on Windows - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/68afdf9f1e45e51398310e3ef804ab847fcffc52

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master imprv: Server info: Use Adw.InlineViewSwitcher for tabs - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/525ab2d788e51d97032c0f1f917bf650d05f2a47