Gajim - 2025-04-11

hi hello it seems like Gajim is missing one of the availability states mentioned in the RFC 6121 (it looks like there's no option for "actively interested in chat"?)

Goot the ticklegoblin!: yes, we removed that, it does not add value compared to "online/available"

> Goot the ticklegoblin!: yes, we removed that, it does not add value compared to "online/available" In other places ive seen statuses and names having parts like "dms open" and such ↺

The difference between "hmm they're online but do they want to be bothered" vs "they have affirmed that they want to be bothered"

Was mobile usage of gajim ever discussed? I mean on mobile linux

Someone recently posted a screenshot here and said it is only half-bad 😅

But I don't think it is a development target despite current efforts to "mobilize" the gajim interface by using lots of single button type stuff that makes little sense on desktop.

Its like Gnome. Looks like a mobile interface, but is actually not usable on mobile. Cargo cult 😅

What is > lots of single button type stuff ?

The open new chat button to replace the roster for example

Or the new single button that hides away the different accounts

I don't see the point of that on a device that isn't screen space limited like a mobile phone

We had users with >5 accounts. Combine that with multiple workspaces and you run out of space. That only works if the sidebar would scroll, which is ugly. Hence the menu

> The open new chat button to replace the roster for example That's simplifying the situation a little too much :D

> We had users with >5 accounts. Combine that with multiple workspaces and you run out of space. That only works if the sidebar would scroll, which is ugly. Hence the menu Have it collapse in edge cases like that then. ↺

Making it worse for almost everyone to account for edge cases is not good design.

Or make it a setting, with the default to not collapsed

Kris: did you even try it? It behaves the same as before if you have 1 account

Yes, but I have more than one account, but less than 5

:D

I would not add settings for every detail but maybe rather make it responsive, where it makes sense

Kris, you need to tell us the problem, not the solution

What problem are you facing? which information do you miss now that was available before

lovetox: i already explained the problem in detail above

no you told us how the UI should look

not why

I want a desktop app to use the available screen space, not hide info away behind buttons

screen size is limited, people have different screen sizes, different amount of workspaces and accounts

Use the space is not a good reason to do something

On desktop screenspace is not limited. Even on a 12" laptop

it seems you understand something different under the word limit than i am ✏

Using the available screen is of course a good reason 🙄 why have a screen if you hide everything?

no its not reason at all, a reason would be "I want to see information X without clicking, because i need it to do Y"

Everything has limits, and we always need to prioritze what we show and is more important

Yes for example, but that is just a sub-problem of the general issue that desktop apps are designed different from screenspace limited mobile apps. ✏

Clicks should be minimized, but Gajim is doing the opposite lately

Hiding stuff behind buttons and search bars is bad design for desktop apps

If you have a real problem feel free to mention it, just "use more space" is not helpful. In this case we prioritize workspace space over account space, because workspaces need to be visible because they have notifications

Its not about "problems" its about UI design philosophy.

Accounts used to have notifications too, but you removed that

yes, that was the reason they were shown

now we moved them to the activity feed, now we dont need to show 5 accounts the whole time anymore

its not about a philosophy

every decision has a reason, and the reason is never "because GNOME app X does it that way"

the reason was, we need to show notifications, and now the reason is, no notifications anymore, hence more space for workspaces

the only philosophy involved here is, we want to show the most used and important things

Lets agree to disagree. But I think recent changes to Gajim show a fundamental lack of understanding how good desktop apps are designed.

And this lack of understanding seems similar to how Gnome is an exceptionally bad desktop UI. ✏

As said happy to discuss concrete things, i wont discuss philosophy.

That is missing the forest for the trees ✏

Hi, I'm on Artix Linux running Gajim 2.0.4, how do I get spell checker?

I have gspell and hunspell_en installed, but nothing happened.

I think it's not gspell

Check the readme

Libspelling IIRC

cal0pteryx, something is wrong with gajim.org's RSS ... form time to time I get a few years worth of feeds, where can I find the code to check it? If may I help 🫣

of send me a pm so we can talk without adding noise to this channel

s/of/or

TheCoffeMaker: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/website/-/blob/master/themes/beautifulhugo/layouts/_default/rss.xml

No clue why it would do that

neither do I ... will take a look

I can remove that file, so hugo uses its default, but I think that was lacking other stuff. Maybe that changed over time

no worries ... will check it later

> Libspelling IIRC I have `Libspelling` installed, still nothing. ↺

You need the typelibs also

In Debian these are gir- packages

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Account sidebar: Fix setting show for multiple accounts - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/c6703b40fe0222d8290f8a3a7b8f4819efbef8b9

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Catch exceptions when pasting text from clipboard - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/8274bf6edc06b6a88840e8f96aa73de6c7c905a3