Gajim - 2025-03-07

Gajim crashes upon sending a message, on some occasions. ``` 2025-03-07 07:32:32 (W) gajim.c.settings Unable to determine context for: ##officalreallibertymedia%irc.freenode.net@irc.cheogram.com (gajim:34162): Gtk-WARNING **: 07:33:01.857: Trying to snapshot GtkGizmo 0x5994af79f3b0 without a current allocation /usr/lib/python3.13/multiprocessing/resource_tracker.py:277: UserWarning: resource_tracker: There appear to be 5 leaked semaphore objects to clean up at shutdown: {'/mp-gi4atlig', '/mp-u5qm7cs0', '/mp-r5liakjd', '/mp-op2d83p4', '/mp-lus8aaxk'} warnings.warn( Segmentation fault (core dumped) ```

> Not sure what you intend to say cal0pteryx. I think that it would be good to enhance the account dialog. It would be useful to turn it into a dashboard. ↺

Schimon: its a known Bug fixes soon

> Schimon: its a known Bug fixes soon Thank you. lovetox. ↺

> Hi, a friend sent me some messages since yesterday and got instantly "recipient read up there", while I never had any notification/unread messages tray icon and Gajim window wasn't open. Any idea why/how that happens? And how I could debug that further? do you have another client logged in? maybe movim? ↺

to debug you can open the debug console, and if it's caused by another client wrongfully marking the chat as read you'll see something like ```xml <message xmlns='jabber:client' from='example.org' to='you@example.org/gajim' type='chat'> <received xmlns='urn:xmpp:carbons:2'> <forwarded xmlns='urn:xmpp:forward:0'> <message xmlns='jabber:client' from='you@example.org/other-client' to='your-buddy@their-server.org' type='chat'> <displayed xmlns='urn:xmpp:chat-markers:0' id='a-msg-id'/> </message> </forwarded> </received> </message> ```

I can not find contact list when i select an account in 2.0.1

it20: kebab menu (three dots), advanced, contact list or so

it20: use Start Chat (ctrl+n)

seriously this is how I am supposed to find my contact in a chatting software -_-

Come on man..

mesonium: this is an advanced Dialog 99% people will never need, If a User asks Form a contact list in Most cases He wants to Start a Chat ✏

mesonium: this is an advanced Dialog 99% people will never need, If a User asks For a contact list in Most cases He wants to Start a Chat ✏

> it20: kebab menu (three dots), advanced, contact list or so ooooh I didn't notice that, excellent! ♥ ↺

We found the 1%!

> mesonium: this is an advanced Dialog 99% people will never need, If a User asks For a contact list in Most cases He wants to Start a Chat lovetox please convey this message to the developer.. we need contact list with each account.. ↺

it20, have you seen that you can filter the Start / Joiun Chat List by account?

yes... seen it.. but it is buggy.. we should filter with multiple account, online contacts.. i have several account with around 50 contact.. so things are pretty messy for me right now..

But you didnt have this before. The Roster was in the Account page ✏

So you would need beforehand in which Account to look

This is the Same now with the Account Filter option

no previously I select an account which listed below my workspaces and it showed all contact in this account..

now I select an account it is showing few account details in a very big ass window

and no contact list..

this list is what I want basically.

Please Show us a Screenshot of the filtered list For the Account were you See No contacts ✏

In a new chat window where there is filter.. in that list I can see contact... but no contact in the main window.. I will give u a screenshot when I can..

That's clear. The contact list in the Account page was moved to the start chat dialog

Now I'm trying to find out what's the problem with finding a contact in the start chat dialog

> do you have another client logged in? maybe movim? No, no other clients :/ but I was thinking about making another account to test different situations without bothering my friend, I'll update ↺

> Now I'm trying to find out what's the problem with finding a contact in the start chat dialog I believe there's something about a new modal window popping and temporarily "blocking" other actions, vs everything in main window where you can change what you're doing with 0 click/no need to escape another window, that feels a bit more "heavy". I'm thinking about how Blender words its interface paradigm (which I find really great): "Non Overlapping, Non Blocking, Non Modal” ↺

Also, there might be some cases where you just want to quickly have a look at your contact list with no intent to start a chat for as different reasons that there're differents users... 🤷

If you use Gajim only with mouse, to find a contact filtered by account to start a chat from main chat view, I count like 6 clicks with current UI ("+" > Start new chat > Filter icon > Open account dropdown > account > double-click on user), where it could be like 2 (Account icon in bottom-left > Double click on the contact that would appear in the list of this account)

Or one click, nobody forces you to close chats

You can pin your favourite chats to the top also

Hm, yeah, I'm not personnaly in situations where I have tens or thousands chats in gajim, was just trying to highlight other aspects :) I understood the contact list problem as for when you never initiated a chat with specific user, had not in mind that we can close chats!

well maybe not everybody that came here to talk about contact list had the same usages in mind

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Make dragged chat stick to cursor - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/62996c6a4af7f6500fb7a1d005e5687dfde50e27

The release notes for 2.0 mention that gajim used to have a single list for contacts and groups but you moved away from that in 1.4.

IMHO, gajim's biggest fault is its lack of exactly that: a single roster where I can see contacts and group.

But we have exactly that

It's the start chat dialog

Insert "mom I want... we have that at home" meme here.

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master change: Display a warning when trying to add domain JID - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/a7fbe50b7f341baa32033c97fdbccaecd5ffc398

I'd prefer to see me contacts in the main "Default" list on the main screen tbh.

I really don't understand Gajim's design (despite it being my primary client on desktop).

But you just said it does not have it

Now it's, ah yes it is there, but not at the specific place I want it to

> But you just said it does not have it Actually, I said that the release notes indicate that this was dropped in 1.4. ↺

Its not the same. At most it fulfills a similar function, but even that is doubtful.

> IMHO, gajim's biggest fault is its lack of exactly that: a single roster where I can see contacts and group. ^

Fair :P

BTW: PgUp and PgDown does not work on that list.

Nor does shift+PgUp

Like, I miss the simplicity of messengers from 1995 thru 2010 where I just had a list of contacts and groups along with unread message count in the single window.

How do I determine which 1:1 conversations have unread messages?

..by looking at the chats in the chat list + indicators..

1:1 conversations don't show up there.

? You look into the chat list on the left of the screen ✏

they do

Not anymore? I'm pretty sure they used to

It's a chat list, a list of all your chats

Odd, starting a chat with any contact indicates that I have preivous history.

Could Gajim have lost all history with the upgrade to 2.0? Isn't this archived server side anyway?

there is a database migration

Depends on many factors

your server side archive depends on your provider's policies

> there is a database migration How do I run this? ↺

> your server side archive depends on your provider's policies I have prosody's mam module enabled, if that's what you mean ↺

there is nothing to do. gajim runs its database migration when necessary (i.e. when upgrading from one release to another)

> I have prosody's mam module enabled, if that's what you mean then it's up to you to set a policy of your choice (how many days you want to keep) ↺

History is visible from another host running gajim 1.9.5.

so?

Today I upgraded gajim to 2.0 on this host, and now history is now longer visible.

from 1.9 to 2.0?

I'm struggling to understand how server policy could be a factor here.

From 1.9.5 to 2.0.0

There is no server policy at play if you upgrade an existing instance

I don't think there was any database migration between 1.9.5 and 2.0

If you setup a new instance of course you can only download what the server has.

There is a sync history Dialog that lets you request all messages the server has

Under the assumption you did not encrypt them

> There is a sync history Dialog that lets you request all messages the server has Looks like the server does't have them any more; retentnion was 1w. ↺

But it's not clear to me why they were deleted from this host.

"Synchronise history" only downloads messages? I hoped to re-upload all history from another host and synchronise it to this one.

No this feature does not exist in xmpp

Of course you can simply copy the database to the other host