Gajim - 2025-03-01

kind of a pity that there isn't a roster anymore on Gajim 2.0, but otherwise it seems quite nice.

> kind of a pity that there isn't a roster anymore on Gajim 2.0, but otherwise it seems quite nice. I wonder, where I can see my contacts now? E.g. who is online etc.? ↺

debacle, there is still the green dot shown on the avatar of users you have a chat open with, and there is a contact list management interface, but that doesn't show the status.

on the plus side, this contact list management interface does show the subscription status more clearly, but it is pretty hidden in general.

I would say it is a 20% improvement and a 80% downgrade compared to the previous roster 🫠

and the space in the UI where the roster previously was, is now mostly empty.

Hello. Congratulation for the latest release of Gajim. And big thank you to everyone who have contributed to it.

2.0 is so kewl (⌐■_■)

I use it right now, very happy.

I hope I could help, after I finished my school exams.

(And I miss coding in Python)

Hey thanks for the 2.0 :) just found a strange behavior with conversation filter box: when I open a dropdown list then click back to close it (not "the same value in the list"), there's no way to close the filter box anymore! I can click anywhere on the window it won't leave. The only thing I found is opening again a dropdown an selecting a value *in the list*, then it's able to close intuitively

https://partage.jabberfr.org/bi2_bZzcLGXdbEXUIs1JJnb6/8876ba28-ad15-410e-92a0-847e3ab127b6.png

Will open an issue tomorrow if necessary :) ++

nice work on 2.0!

debacle: in the start chat dialog

cve-1312, there is similiar issue for Gtk reported

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4529

Kris, can you answer this user here https://post.lurk.org/@pixouls/114081991814870231

that we have a advanced config setting "use_urgency_hint"

for whatever reason this is the only post from this user which does not get synced to fosstodon

> Kris, can you answer this user here https://post.lurk.org/@pixouls/114081991814870231 Done. ↺

Thanks

where is the new contacts list?

there is no new contact list, you can use the Start Chat Dialog

>all contact management actions are bundled in a new “Manage Contact List"

is this a mistake in the blog?

Its hidden in your profile -> advanced menu

oic

thats not what i understand if a user asks for a contact list

kind of liked the old contact list more, shame, this is very out of the way and doesn't let u see who's online at a glance and takes an extra click to start a chat using the dialogue. maybe move the start chat dialogue where contacts used to be integrated into the window instead of a dialogue and add a sort by status option?

thats a management dialog for advanced use cases

why was it removed, anyway?

hau, as i mentioned above you are supposed to use the Start Chat Dialog

there you have all informations that were previously in the roster

and its reachable with one click or shortcut

why would it matter to you if the roster is integrated in the window or a dialog?

i was responding to that too, start chat dialogue takes one extra click and doesn't offer sort by status, and being a dialogue instead of integrated feels clunky to me since you can't just click to look who's online then click back to where you were since there's a window you have to close first now

> kind of liked the old contact list more, shame, this is very out of the way and doesn't let u see who's online at a glance and takes an extra click to start a chat using the dialogue. maybe move the start chat dialogue where contacts used to be integrated into the window instead of a dialogue and add a sort by status option? 👍 ↺

same amount of clicks

the technical reason why its in a dialog is, because if not we need to load the contact list, which we dont want because it can contain thousands of contacts

That seems like an extreme edge case

its not, it is enough if its a few hundred

i understand the use case of, "i have 5 contacts" and want to see them at all times, but we need to think about working solutions for everybody

it's one more click, '+' > start chat vs just clicking the profile picture in the bottom left

unless I'm mistaken

and a list of 500 contacts, where you can see 20 on your screen and then have to start scrolling, is not useful at all

maybe there could be a disable toggle for users with that case?

I would bet 99% of the users have less than 20 contacts.

hau, STRG + N

## Versions: - OS: Linux 6.8.0-53-lowlatency - GTK Version: 4.16.12 - PyGObject Version: 3.50.0 - GLib Version : 2.82.4 - libsoup Version: 3.6.4 - python-nbxmpp Version: 6.0.0 - Gajim Version: 2.0.0 ## Traceback ``` Traceback (most recent call last): File "/app/lib/python3.12/site-packages/gajim/gtk/settings.py", line 139, in on_row_activated row.on_row_activated() File "/app/lib/python3.12/site-packages/gajim/gtk/settings.py", line 555, in on_row_activated self.show_dialog() File "/app/lib/python3.12/site-packages/gajim/gtk/settings.py", line 545, in show_dialog self._dialog_cls(self.account, window) File "/app/lib/python3.12/site-packages/gajim/gtk/accounts.py", line 1169, in __init__ SettingsDialog.__init__( File "/app/lib/python3.12/site-packages/gajim/gtk/settings.py", line 79, in __init__ self.set_visible(True) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'CutstomHostnameDialog' object has no attribute 'set_visible' ```

i have 80 contacts and I use it all the time, i feel like with 5 contacts it wouldn't be useful since you'd just keep the chats open at all times

> hau, STRG + N yeah but then the operation requires a keyboard and memorizing shortcuts ↺

also the "i want to see who is online" thing died 15 years ago

assume everybody is online, as most people are

Not here 😅

discord has a contact list, i feel like there's nothing unmodern about it? i don't know any chat app without one. and even people who are always online their client puts them in away or DND after a while

hau, so memorize it, it seems important to your workflow that you find the contact list fast

> discord has a contact list, i feel like there's nothing unmodern about it? i don't know any chat app without one. and even people who are always online their client puts them in away or DND after a while 👍 ↺

we have a contact list, it provides all status information you want

where?

in the Start Chat Dialog

hau: most mobile chat apps don't have it, but outsource it to the phone book. ✏

that doesn't sort by status and is clunky to look at quickly since you have a window to close now

anyway we're going in circles, i gave my feedback do with it what you want

I cant change my hostname 😭

Sadly you are not the first to give this exact feedback

its over

also

if u have socks proxy set and ur signing up for an account

its leaking dns

at least of flatpak

yes, thats expected

on the rest apparently not ✏

but what if ur tryna login to a tor xmpp server?

`socat TCP-L:5222,fork,reuseaddr SOCKS4A:[someip]:[someonion]:5222,socksport=9050`

to work around it

ig

the socks list in the client explicitly lists tor as being default

oh yeah what happens if moderate all messages has 1000s of messages on it? have you tested that? will it spam servers and clients or will it just crash or something

the scrolling is really nice though

hau, it will probably take some time, i would not expect anything crashing

but i would not suggest to do that

Hello from gajim 2.0!

> debacle: in the start chat dialog In fact, that's nice, because there I even have a group filter. ↺

We are open to improve the start chat dialog, to fill all use cases that a "contact list" should solve

sort by status is a valid feature request for me

im not even excluding the chance that it may come back as part of the window at some point in the future

> sort by status is a valid feature request for me ❤️ ↺

do plugins still work?

i havent used them in a while

need to play chess rn

or uhhh

whats the other 1?

there is no chess plugin

> We are open to improve the start chat dialog, to fill all use cases that a "contact list" should solve We are open to all color suggestions as long as it is green 🙄 ↺

gyatt: maybe there will be WebXDC support in the future.

need this

> We are open to all color suggestions as long as it is green 🙄 yes there are some restrictions, "I want it in the top left corner because i like it" will probably not be considered ↺

its not feasible to make everything so flexibel, that every user can customize to his liking, we need to find a common denominator

hey, how to deal with this black rectangle behind drop-down menus?

just upgraded to 2.0.0

show us a screenshot

I'll try, give me a sec

I can't pull up screenshoter with drop-down menu open it looks like this https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme/issues/206 but around drop down menus using i3

> gyatt: maybe there will be WebXDC support in the future. webxdc would b bussin ↺

I'm sure it's not only a gajim problem, I've noticed it sometimes in other programs

yeah seems like a window manager problem

it seems to draw some background not correctly

or does not set transparency

nothing we control

then I can add another thing to my list "bitching about modern GTK" :D

or yeah could be a theming issue

did you try another theme?

not yet

well, I just wanted to ask if someone too had this issue

I'll try to fix it later

dont bitch to fast about GTK, custom themes can make a lot of things worse, and its not GTKs fault

problem is most theme maintainers dont have the time to keep up with the changes

I've runned picom, now it shows as expected ✏

so, lack of compositor was an issue

> I would say it is a 20% improvement and a 80% downgrade compared to the previous roster 🫠 I see it more like 50/50, while part of the downside is just habituation on my side. ↺

lovetox What is the state of the plugins? E.g. I can't open the config of the triggers plugin, so I guess they need work for being compatible with 2.0.0? I'm interested in having antispam, lengthnotifier, openpgp, pgp, and triggers in good shape for Debian 13.

did you update the plugins to its newest version?

> nbxmpp does not contain any documentation anymore, right? I removed the -doc package from Debian, which was empty for years anyway. ↺

hmmm somehow the ftp was not updated with the newest versions

oh no it was

there should be new plugin version available for all plugins

triggers should 1.6.0

> did you update the plugins to its newest version? I thought I did, but I'll check again. ↺

triggers works for me

> triggers should 1.6.0 OK, that explains. I'm still on 1.5.2! I'll update the plugins now! ↺

but then the plugin actually should not have loaded

are you sure you running 2.0.0

or do you run some nightly commit before that

ah no .. it will load

ignore what i said

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Settings: Fix opening sub dialogs - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/8b74aa135cf9c3075b05bc11a3759762f2c67255

^ debacle, if you package gajim and we dont have new release until then, take over this commit

> ^ debacle, if you package gajim and we dont have new release until then, take over this commit I will probably upload a gajim `2.0.0-2` soon, anyway, just to add "Conflicts" with older plugin versions. Then I can add this commit. If there is a new release, I drop the patch again. Thanks! ↺

and for building the debian package, as we provide nightlys you can always check our control files etc, if you want to know if something like docs is still used or not

Debian nightly when I click+ to start chat I get error - GTK Version: 4.17.5 - PyGObject Version: 3.50.0 - GLib Version : 2.83.5 - libsoup Version: 3.6.4 - python-nbxmpp Version: 6.0.0 - Gajim Version: 2.0.0 ## Traceback ``` Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/widgets.py", line 124, in __on_close_request self._cleanup() ~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/start_chat.py", line 198, in _cleanup del self._global_search_view ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'StartChatDialog' object has no attribute '_global_search_view'

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch python-nbxmpp/master other: Readme: Fix formatting, add section for tests - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/495e19c83ab6f2cf6df2fc5be9c0ed2d753e8a70

titan_, can you try starting from a terminal and look if there are any tracebacks preceeding this one you posted? it looks like something happened before that

sent pm

``` 2025-03-01 10:58:00 (E) gajim.c.m.contacts         (example.org) Trying to add GroupchatContact contact@muc.example.org, but contact already exists as contact@muc.example.org (example.org) (in roster: True) ``` You have a group chat in your contact list (roster). You need to remove that using a different client. Else you cannot use Gajim unfortunately.

Removed problem group chat, all working OK thanks

cal0pteryx: When Gajim says ``` gajim.c.m.contacts         (example.org) Trying to add GroupchatContact contact@muc.example.org, but contact already exists as contact@muc.example.org (example.org) (in roster: True) ``` Could this also be a false postive and the "group chat" is a single contact in reality?

I mean otherwise it could automatically be removed?

At least one data point could be that a group chat never has a bi-directional subscription, I guess.

Yes I want to fix this in the next version but it's not easy

Was anyone unable to view the code snippet above in Gajim 2.0.0?

https://share.ellini.org:5281/file_share/067c2f18-d769-7398-a0e3-2cc435380e10/issue.png

it's empty, there is no text

It's not empty. https://conference.gajim.org:5281/muc_log/gajim/2025-03-01#3df8af82-2bdb-478a-b61c-b2f9a21d6740

I guess the issue is that the text is on the same line as the opening ```

That's why it's saying unknown language

oh, yes, it's simply invalid

the standard mandates a newline

But it should not be empty then or?

It should only miss the first line until the newline

That code block had a single line

Oh yeah hm we could add that if the language is not known we interpret it as text

Tip for mesonium: if you right-click in the input box, there's a `Paste as Code Block` button

It will do the correct formatting

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch python-nbxmpp/master other: Readme: Fix formatting, add section for tests - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/f26fc532f8cb1a6fa80477b6857bff8039c54416

lissine: thanks, but I typed it on C, sorry didn't notice the missing linebreak

in Gajim 2.0.0, in Gajim -> Preferences -> Style -> Theme, `newtheme0` is selected by default, instead of the `default` theme

https://share.conversations.im/meeson_/h0Ln4rqoPH6rjlPX/Vl16u1QITeKRwb5-J70UAg.jpg

In C this looks fine btw, the codeblock text appears with mono space font

The `default` theme looks much better than `newtheme0` It should be the one enabled by default.

lissine, newtheme0 is user-created (i.e. by you)

you can simply drop it

I know. But if someone updates to gajim 2.0.0, the selected theme shouldn't be switched to a different one. Or maybe in Gajim 1.9 the `newtheme0` was prefilled with the values from the default theme

mesonium, Gajim requires a newline

lissine, we didn't change theme settings between 1.9 and 2.0.

Then other clients should adapt their UI to help avoiding this mistake. :)

Ouch got a sigsegv wenn sending an omemo message. Will share the log later

I'm not saying Gajim is correct ;)

It's a GTK snapshot rendering issue, the bug gets triggered by rendering in the message input text view. I had a reply in it, typed some answer and hit sent: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b59088be8aea

Gtk 4.16.5 maybe it's already fixed in 4.17

I can't find any issue on the gtk bug tracker about `gtk_css_style_snapshot_outline`

I would report it but I have no reproducer

Maybe it happens again some time :)

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/7382

I've reported it anyway now

Worst case they just close it or it stays open forever :-P

Hi, is it normal that when I click and switch between the menus in the menu bar at the top the chat scrolls up a bit?

Oh just hover over between the button does it, no click required

It's a known bug

Thanks

It goes often away if you restart gajim

Congrats on new release! after update on debian 12, flatpak version of gajim stopped showing tray icon, is there a fix to this? Like for example adding additional session bus in flatseal?

cat_petter_2012: gajim 2.0 provides its status icon via dbus. I don't know if this requires some portal

https://upload.magicbroccoli.de/bbe35460f17ff35b31c80fb06f8553e8a1cc4a42/tp7qW0blVGqOj9TJvzBymq2UQKBXJPJNfpSt7HXd/6146e53d-dcd7-436f-8c6e-935cb7dc148e.png

I have dbus enabled for gajim

does it just look like it, or is the base font in Gajim 2 a bit smaller? (I'm not seeing a lot of differences between 1.9.5 and 2.0.0, but as a developer, I know the foundation is much more important than the visible tip of the iceberg)

erik: maybe your theme differs between gtk3/4?

cat_petter_2012: which desktop environment are you using?

I use tiling window manager with env option GTK_THEME="theme". Theme has both gtk3 and gtk4 support

cal0pteryx, that's very well possible. I have no idea, really. I'm recognizing a lot of stuff from 1.9.5, which in is comforting :-)

update to my missing tray icon situation - I don't see steam icon also, so the problem is not on gajim side

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Preferences: Update themes list when removing theme - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/8bd6d3929fbb91228bb6e399ea6fe62bbbb7fd2c

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master imprv: Start Chat: Add confirmation dialog for 'Forget this Group Chat' action - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/821ec029cba6e24451718746b7ce4e416bc028df

> update to my missing tray icon situation - I don't see steam icon also, so the problem is not on gajim side I investigate this and maybe it's because you use (like me) an environment which don't implement systray icons via Dbus? I found a workaround which work for me: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/12197#note_217613 ✏ ↺

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master other: Update DOAP file - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/3091a7c596b5584aced260d7b4883859b5027d53

When my host wakes up from sleep, gajim tries to reconnect. To do this, it tries to read secrets from the secret storage. I get prompted. I cancel unlocking the storage; I'm only transiently using this host and won't need it. Hours later, when I come back, Gajim's main window is responsive but give no indication of being disconnected. This "disconnected" mode is visually indistinguishable from "connected but nothing happening" in the main window. ✏

Hugo: really doubt it

There is a status in the left bottom corner

It has a color

Blue or grey means you are not connected

It also states "You are not connected" above the message input

I got a reproducer :)

I just need to write a smaller script for them

Unfortunately I was just lucky to reproduce it 3 times in a row and then not a 4th time. Uw.

btw can this is removed?

damn erorr uploading image

https://upload.jabb.im/upn1/45c82f896625a1274e4b66bef30b0b2ed43ef742/vspXOChNvrsIxlD4BoPkAFvvLm5KIrTBwNXs7Tgl/2ee22960-df66-4406-8b91-0ac64eb6467c.png

i can't type when the connection unstable.... the approach that i think will work in position was just let me type and send message, and those message will sent/resend when connection available

instead blocking me typing something which i think was the worst part

i think telegram and whatsapp and other also let us type even on unstable connection then when sending it we can just resent it til they sent

You should be able to type in Gajim 2.0

instead unable to write what we think til the connection available again and we forget what to type in that moment

ah really?

Sending is not possible though

i thought i just updated gajin

> Sending is not possible though but typing possible? wait let me check then ↺

wurstsalat pushed 3 commits to branch gajim/master refactor: Disable dependency checks for Farstream and AV - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/178a08d469f6f420a5325387b5e8f2369bfd4aa1 fix: Show audio input selection again (for voice messages) - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/262279db4b6b1844d56739b34c15ca9a1edddbb0 fix: Preferences: Show missing titles for settings again - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/ffebaf03485f194059efcd765a8b4cbe23c89733

they not available on windows? the 2.0 version?

no

not yet

=

sad

when

unknown

:(

mesonium, this commit suppresses the Gst critical you mentioned (and which always produced confusion in bug reports): https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/178a08d469f6f420a5325387b5e8f2369bfd4aa1

hzr, we're waiting for a new release of cairo (a dependency). then it should be fixed

> hzr, we're waiting for a new release of cairo (a dependency). then it should be fixed do u had any est date? ↺

thanks cal0pteryx, so it wasn't my fault 😺 ✏

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master cq: PluginManager: Reduce loglevel for failed manifest loading attempts - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/c1786bfce7bdf37ee4ac531970973a87b7acc934

hzr, no, since we are not maintaining that library, we're waiting as hard as you ;)

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch python-nbxmpp/master other: Readme: Fix formatting, add section for tests - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/5fb5a38639808235b3f205dd2274092f1fd4aade

> hzr, no, since we are not maintaining that library, we're waiting as hard as you ;) **angry mob noises** ↺

btw why not push with current ver of cairo? **big brain time

Accounts -> Manage Accounts -> My Account -> Connection: When I click eg on Hostname nothing happens and `(D) gajim.gtk.widgets Load Window: SettingsDialog` is logged. I believe before a dialog or popover opened to change the settings? Got that broken? ✏

Same for general -> login

> but what if ur tryna login to a tor xmpp server? Is there any reason you use socks4? I strongly advise you to use socks5 ↺

mesonium, yes, seems that's broken. I'll have a look

> Congrats on new release! > after update on debian 12, flatpak version of gajim stopped showing tray icon, is there a fix to this? Like for example adding additional session bus in flatseal? Personnaly, debian 12 gnome 43.9, I need this extension for tray icons to show: https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator ↺

prior to 2.0, I had two tray icons for Gajim, so I don't know something something one was supported with the extensions, the other not?

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: SettingsDialog: Fix showing dialogs - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/1ac25066096bec69f73304125ffab343f7da5994

mesonium, ^

cve-1312, we dont use appindicator anymore

are you saying you dont see a tray icon on Gnome?

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch python-nbxmpp/master fix: JID: Raise error on IRIs with auth component - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/269a91a41f0b6095becec4d3168e72d5d2229736

well, yes, if I disable this extension, all my tray icons (clementine, quassel, keepassXC, ...) disappear. But maybe I did somehting wrong somewhere once? idk, i don't feel like, I installed this debian like last year

Gajim installed via flatpak

Hi, I’m starting Gajim after months of not having used it, and when I click on a MUC it prints to the console “2025-03-01 20:05:21 (W) gajim.c.storage.archive Found 0 messages with stanza id 2024-11-30-0bad6adcd55a6c07” (probably the last time I opened it), but doesn’t show (or load?) much more recent messages, some have been sent three days ago.

Is this a bug I should report?

I’m running 2.0.0 as packaged in ArchLinux.

Link Mauve, im not sure i understand the problem, this error is related to message references, it does not hint at loading problems except you miss exactly that one message with that id

are you saying you are sure you have 3 year old messages in your database, but Gajim does not load them?

I am connected to the MUC on another account, and the last message was three days ago.

I don’t think it’s in Gajim’s database, but it’s in the MAM archive.

ah damn, i read years for some reason

And Gajim acts as if no messages had been sent in the past three months.

do you believe you joined this MUC the first time on Gajim?

Is it a public MUC?

there is a MAM query threshold for public MUCs

you can check it in the chat settings

its by default on one day, meaning we never query more than 24 hours

you can set it to something higher if you want, either per chat, or globaly in Preferences -> Chat

but this will only work forward, there is no way you can query now the old messages

but be aware that Gajim has no guards in place, if you set it to something higher, Gajim will query it even if it means querying a million messages

It is a public MUC, which I’ve joined years ago using this account on this Gajim.

lovetox, where are the chat settings?

in the chat top row of button

I don’t plan on using Gajim much anyway, but that sounds like some weird defaults.

whats better?

there are MUCs where you have 1000 messages in a day

Right, it’s at one day atm.

lovetox, can’t you do multiple things in a query, like ask for many days but at most 1000 messages or something?

not possible in one query, and only on servers who give you a count, but yes there are many things one could do

this is a bandaid

if i would invest time into this, i would try to allow dynamic loading from MAM on scrolling up by the user

not implementing more complicated logic that improves the bandaid

but maybe we could raise the default to something like 3 days, with the rational that there are not many big active mucs

but then people join via bridges ...

no idea what matrix does, they probably have very big chats

Matrix takes hours to join some rooms, it’s stupid.

And you get no feedback during that time.

i would implement dynamic loading in an instant

if prosody would have sub second resolution timestamps on their mam responses

the problem with backloading is, there are edge cases where you cannot establish the right order of messages anymore if they have the same timestamp

Why do you use timestamps instead of stanza-id? ✏

stanza-id is not sortable

you need to sort your messages when loading them from the database if you do backloading

But you know which is first and which is last in a query.

But you receive them in the order your request, so you don’t need to load them from a database.

its not about the query, its about saving the order and restoring it from the database

Why do you need to do that?

> But you receive them in the order your request, so you don’t need to load them from a database. of course, if you close your client, and restart it you want to load messages or? ↺

are you saying we should not locally store messages anymore?

of course this would be an easy solution, with other drawbacks

for example, extrem slow loading of messages when you open a chat

No, just that for the first display you know the order since you just received it, and on second load you can introduce a sort order maybe?

thats it you cant, because there is no attribute in a mam message except the timestamp that lets you establish order

and if you dont have subsecond resolutions, timestamp can be the same

for example if a bot posts some messages

lovetox, in Prosody we do store with microsecond precision fwiw.

hmmm, maybe im on outdated info then

i will check

We’re running almost Prosody 13.0, maybe older versions didn’t do it.

that would make it very easy to implement, with so few edge cases that i say, the user can live with those 2 messages in 10.000 that have their order wrong

thanks for the info

Link Mauve, you mean this patch and the linked one in the commit message https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/57e86d537ffe ?

omg, i try to do one test, and find 3 new bugs

somehow my server cannot reach jabberfr

> omg, i try to do one test, and find 3 new bugs a tuesday :D ↺

Hm the PGP plugin seems broken on 2.0.0 Does anyone else have that issue?

wait wtf it does not even show up in my plugins settings

but Flathub says I got the PGP installed

holy moly this update is bad lmfao

try uninstalling it and reinstalling it

we pushed a update to the pgp plugin

un/reinstall the plugin i mean, not Gajim

Alright I will try that later

lovetox: > i will check Zash told me > It's in the changelog file for the future major release: https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/file/tip/CHANGES#l76

so its not released

ok

l Link Mauve lovetox: Zash doesn't recommend ordering by timestamps anyway even w/ sub sec precision > Because 1) clocks are about as trustworthy as computers and 2) you get the order from the query. ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯ ✏

1) in the absence of something better, its good enough for me 2) the the order is clear in one query does not help me if i have many

> Kris, can you answer this user here https://post.lurk.org/@pixouls/114081991814870231 Thank you lovetox and Kris. I have fostodon server blocked probably for fedi drama i cannot remember. I have had this issue for probably more than 6 months. i tried so many clients because I couldn't figure out what to do, and when I searched online for "taskbar/flashing/windows10" etc. couldn't get clear answers. It is a problem because I am trying to work on some time sensitive projects but the flashing upsets me and i kept closing the program and missing messages. i will keep an eye on things and hopefully it will not happen anymore. ↺