Gajim - 2024-11-01

lovetox: if libcanberra/gsound is also gone, then the submodule can be removed ✏

Louis2: i use debian backports, it has 1.8.4 if i recall correctly - not so bad. I will wait for the new debian stable and then i will get a cutting edge gajim again: from my experience, the version in backports is usually up to date until gajim starts depending on some library which is not in stable and this often last up to one year after the stable release, based on my subjective perception. if you want to have the latest gajim on debian stable now, flatpak seems a good option.

what order do the contacts in the contacts list come? Seems roughly alphabetic but not really

There is a menu above it that shows you sort option

Hi, little question as I was surprised for a new session/one not opened for a long time on a device, isn't gajim supposed to synchronize session/client keys to be able to decrypt old OMEMO messages? I've got ones for a contact that can be read from gajim/dino/conversations on other devices but not on this one and it looks surprising.

what error do you see?

Not exactly an error, but https://pic.infini.fr/NZvBeAFT/SToyWK0G.png

yes this tells you whoever sent this message did not encrypt it for your device

meaning they dont trust your device, or removed it for some reason after long inactivity

or have a buggy client, and dont know that your device exists

there could be many reasons

you can fix this by asking that contact to trust your device

But this is not only for the messages of my contact. This screenshot here is one of my own messages

if its a message you sent from another device, its the same story, go to that device and look up the fingerprints, and check that your Gajim fingerprint is marked as trusted

I got devices all listed with blind trust, I believe the list is complete but I guess I can't see for which devices a message was encrypted? Here I do believe this session wasn't existing at the time the message was sent, but other sessions should reencrypt messages for the new one, right?

can not add contact windows 7 --- gajim 1.5..... please assist

2125555555, please update your system. Windows 7 is not supported

porkepix, no, thats not how it works

you cannot get old message which you didnt encrypt for

Damn, there is no way to have old messages encrypted for a new device? Is that a design choice for OMEMO, or something that still needs to be worked on?

you mean a synced backup of your messages?

no something like this does not exist in xmpp

im not aware that anyone is working on that

Well yeah, kind of. I hate to be that person who brings comparison up (especially considering I wish for XMPP to be more widely used), but I thought OMEMO and and Matrix' encryption shared common roots and had similar designs/way it worked. There, not every clients offer this kind of synchronization of past messages, but I do believe there's at least some kind of master key to trigger a full decryption of this past content

No there is not, and this is by design. its called Perfect Forward Secrecy

the goal is, that somebody that steals your keys, cannot decrypt old messges

and this is not going to change. What you are searching for is not to change th encryption, its just a "Make a backup, and download this backup of messages on a new device"

like whatsapp does it, by backing up messages to google cloud

Yup, which I believe exists there too, but this secret key also weakens it (although I'm maybe not describing it correctly, I'm not sure of the implementation details)

Maybe it's what's done there too (can't compare with WhatsApp, I don't use these kind of messaging applications)

But then, this backup behavior you're describing is not planned to exist on XMPP either?

i cannot speak for all people that develop stuff for xmpp, you can ask in xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join , im not aware that anything in that direction is developed

Hello

Win7 is not supported anymore right? Because I just tried it and didn't work

No, Windows 7 is not supported

Any working alternatives if you know?

Use a webclient

Like movim

I'll try, thanks

cal0pteryx, since today's commit c57b0a64c7ca26110125fb4f737b597c7b913050 ``` gajim/gtk/chat_list_row.py", line 513, in _on_drag_begin assert isinstance(self.contact, ChatContactT) ``` I get a `TypeError: issubclass() arg 2 must be a class, a tuple of classes, or a union` if I drag a chat to another workspace in the gtk4 branch with python 3.13 If I replace `ChatContactT`, which is defined as Union['BareContact', 'GroupchatContact', 'GroupchatParticipant']` with `BareContact | GroupchatContact | GroupchatParticipant` in the isinstance argument, it works again though.

yes because union is not allowed there

if you want to check for multiple types you need to pass a tuple

as the error says

Ah, sorry

isinstance(self, (cls1, cls2, cls3)) ✏

meson: should be fixed

Thx

Nice avatar, meson

have you also noticed that, when opening a chat, the chat may not show the earliest content until you scroll up/down a bit (in the gtk4 branch)? ✏

meson: I made an attempt to fix that yesterday, but it may not be a solution. did you see that with the latest commits?

Unfortunately yeah

I'm on commit 1d7542f7b97b

Oh

Wait;)

I'm on 63e625ff531c1466ff678aa557f4b7a35a37b3ee - my local branch wasn't rebased correctly ..

meson: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/6c4b2915c9a104723c512cedf0de792237d166a8 is what I was referring to

yeah, I've pulled it, doesn't do its job

most of the tries* the correct content first is shown when the chat list is changed: by scrolling or by resizing the panels on the left/right

im new

i have no idea of this gaijm xmpp stuff

why would anyone use this

could you answer this question not yourself, why did you install it :D