Gajim - 2024-10-16

lissine: which part of linux for example would you suppose it should be implemented into and why would they comply

that is a massive piece of software that usually is its own application, if not, then implemented in i18n code or similar, i dont see why an operating system would provide such an api...

That's probably something for freedesktop: Create a dbus API for a translation service. How this is implement, if it is local or remote, etc. were up to the specific implementation. Gajim etc. could use this API, maybe as a plugin, because such an API would not be available on Windows?

But it seems to me, that freedesktop is a little bit ... undermaintained?

Not that it's ideal but any translation project could sidestep freedesktop if necessary and make their own translation dbus spec. The fact that client side translation exists in Firefox makes me feel like this shouldn't be too hard.

> bob: check the status indicatir It is green. I guess I have to turn on debug logging. ↺

Sure. Any project could step in, and if they are the first, they will probably become the "standard" on all Linux systems. But I guess, that Gajim will *not* be that project 😀️ ✏

why would it have to be a dbus? just exec this https://github.com/soimort/translate-shell

Hi, my Gajim just started crashing on launch. Debian Testing, gajim-nightly v20241003-1 (1.9.5). ``` Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/application.py", line 382, in _handle_local_options self._startup() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/application.py", line 263, in _startup MainWindow() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/main.py", line 149, in __init__ self._load_chats() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/main.py", line 1359, in _load_chats self._chat_page.load_workspace_chats(workspace_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/chat_page.py", line 291, in load_workspace_chats self.add_chat_for_workspace(workspace_id, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/chat_page.py", line 263, in add_chat_for_workspace client.get_module('Contacts').add_private_contact(jid) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/common/modules/contacts.py", line 173, in add_private_contact raise ValueError(f'Trying to add GroupchatParticipant {jid}, ' ValueError: Trying to add GroupchatParticipant tinkering@conference.macaw.me/oceane, to BareContact tinkering@conference.macaw.me (jabjab.de) ``` ✏

> it would be great if the OS would provide some API to locally translate stuff Indeed!

Just learned, Dino and Conversations do not offer reactions in MUC PMs, so Gajim should probably disable them for consistency there too

? Why not

Dino, dunno C, Daniel refuses and argues no one would use MUC pms, therefore no interest

Was just shortly discussed in the C MUC

muc PMs are just very poorly implemented in Conversations, so no wonder no one uses them ✏

half the time people get confused and leak PMs in replies because it is all in line

terrible UX

> Hi, my Gajim just started crashing on launch. Debian Testing, gajim-nightly v20241003-1 (1.9.5). > > ``` > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/application.py", line 382, in _handle_local_options > self._startup() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/application.py", line 263, in _startup > MainWindow() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/main.py", line 149, in __init__ > self._load_chats() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/main.py", line 1359, in _load_chats > self._chat_page.load_workspace_chats(workspace_id) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/chat_page.py", line 291, in load_workspace_chats > self.add_chat_for_workspace(workspace_id, > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/gtk/chat_page.py", line 263, in add_chat_for_workspace > client.get_module('Contacts').add_private_contact(jid) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gajim/common/modules/contacts.py", line 173, in add_private_contact > raise ValueError(f'Trying to add GroupchatParticipant {jid}, ' > ValueError: Trying to add GroupchatParticipant tinkering@conference.macaw.me/oceane, to BareContact tinkering@conference.macaw.me (jabjab.de) > ``` What can I do to get it working again? ↺

Delete the contact from your roster with another client

lovetox: > ? Why not @dino > I don't really recall the reason anymore, but might have been along the lines of "would have required additional effort and muc pms aren't as important as direct chats and mucs"

From fiaxh

> half the time people get confused and leak PMs in replies because it is all in line i did this yesterday lmao ✏ ↺

lovetox: I don't have that person in my roster 🤔

Hm

Seems bad I think we need to fiddle in the database then

Are you sure

Not the person the groupchat

Oh, the group chat. Okay, I'll try that.

lovetox: deleted the MUC bookmark, started Gajim, same error. 👀

Hm no idea I can look into it later

I have a question: Is this MUC in English, because it deals almost exclusively with technical issues? That's my guess and I don't know whether I'm right or wrong.

donnerwetter: it is in english, because english is a common language most people can work with. Giving support in multiple languages would multiply the work

cal0pteryx: Thank you for your feedback. I can understand that multilingualism would also mean more work for the developers.

With a name like Donnerwetter, I assume German. So if need be and translation tools like deepL fail. I can help translate

is there any reasonable way to move my data from Windows installer to Windows store app?

Could someone help me out with the crash-on-launch issue? 🥲 ✏

It's kind of a crappy situation, not having a working desktop client...

concerto: you've been promised help, but you have to be patient :)

Yeah 😭

In a few minutes

concerto try to delete cache.db

~/.cache/gajim

lovetox: thanks, but same error 🙁

ok lets have a look in ~/.config/gajim/settings.db

there is a table settings

and there is a row : workspaces

lovetox: it's called settings.sqlite here for some reason

yeah

look if you find the jid in that workspace row json

or send me the full content of the settings column from the workspace row

oof, big ball of JSON

yeah look if you find the jid

tinkering@conference.macaw.me

lovetox: yeah, I see it...one for the room and one for the MUC PM. Should I remove them?

can you post them here

PM'd the JSON

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master chore: Update translations - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/2dcd56fcb552be5c7cb5132e3c04c23565f689e3

Seems to be fixed, thanks for the help lovetox 😃

> is there any reasonable way to move my data from Windows installer to Windows store app? I guess "no". ↺

yes

you dont need to move it at all

windows version will just pick up your data

except you used a portable install

roughnecks, ^

but ms store version is not the most current version, we currently have problems updating it

oh, okay, thanks lovetox

lovetox: one last thought. Will it also use the same OMEMO key?

yes it just picks up the same config dir

but dont use both versions side by side, this will fuck up your data

as both write to the same location

great, I'll try and see if the slowness I'm experiencing goes away "magically".. I just quit gajim from setup.exe so it shouldn't be a problem

there is no reason to believe the store version is faster

with deltachat it is

not the same thing, but..

its the same executeable just in a different location

ah

the difference is not in the software, the difference is the distribution

if I do erase all of my chats history, would that help with this generic slowness of the whole interface? switching mucs/workspaces, scrolling chat and even typing sometimes has hiccups

You could try and rename logs.db, a new log.db will be created or you could start Gajim with `--profile=profilename` to test with a new profile

but a new profile means no accounts. I don't want to set everything up again from scratch ✏

if you want to test something, download the portable version

if you are on a laptop check your power settings

maybe it runs in some kind of power saving mode

no, it's a desktop and I believe when you say it's only the distribution which changes, but I just uninstalled the store app, it was even slower

maybe enable debug logging it prints how long database calls take, maybe thats a hint

its hard to talk about slowness, it might be slow for you, and totally acceptable for someone else

pushed the red button and now every room is blank and it feels a bit better.. why didn't it pull latest history from MAM though?

because it makes not sense?

you push a button to delete messages, and Gajim should load it from the server instantly again?

The pop-up with a QR code for OMEMO keys is cropped:

https://upload.whynothugo.nl:5281/file_share/pgEAZKzGzQ7OVZzqzcGvuIMU/7c184bb6-938a-41f8-be79-416f25ea15b7.png

hm yes you can work around that by making the window bigger

Nope. I made the window fullscreen.

The QR code is always on top.

If the window is taller, I just gain empty space underneath this list.

https://upload.whynothugo.nl:5281/file_share/pADsTaBCR5SjtyCikoLeCKDQ/5fe179c0-4f00-4075-abce-44035741fbd8.png

> you push a button to delete messages, and Gajim should load it from the server instantly again? well, it's not like my history was from a week ago, more like years.. so ↺

Note that the QR code is not a real "pop-up", in the sense that it does not extend out of the parent window; it is cropped to not overflow the parent window.

Hugo, what OS?

Alpine Linux. Using sway version 1.10-dev-2686afb9

thats a limitation of the window manager i guess, it seems to not allow gtk to draw outside of the parent window

I would like to have a marker that shows the point up to which I have already read a discussion. Does this already exist or can it be programmed?

https://upload.whynothugo.nl:5281/file_share/zyGAEksr1Wc_VxzZtL3uJX6X/c82160ae-c320-40a7-8280-a4714cbdf567.png

Works fine for Firefox.

I think the issue is that the QR is not rendered as a separate (pop-up) surface; it's being rendered as part of the same surface, so obviously gets cropped.

no it works fine here on ubuntu

but there is a constrain setting we could try, also we could make it pop down, then the bigger window works

looks like brett baier just massacred kamala harris. 🤣️

wow brett came with his A game. she was not expecting that.

anontor: Who the fuck is Brett Bayer and why is he relevant to Gajim?

sorry wrong room

No prob

why does gajim flip the rooms.

lol

I haven't noticed that. Then again, I have been using an old version.

you can think one room is the top chatting away and that rooms has changed. 🤣️

the room list changes based on latest comments.

Can't you tell based on the messages inside it?

I wasn't paying attention like that. I was watching kamala harris get massacred by brett baier. ✏

i picked quite the unfortunate username lol

sorry. 🤣️

yes you did. 🤣️