Gajim - 2024-10-12

> Hi guys. It's me again. Still tryin' to get PGP working. Can you tell me why does gajim show it like this? I have set trust level to ultimate for this key in pgp Me too. :( I cannot even generate keys. I installed openpgp plugin and python3-gpg. The gear icon in Plugins/ gajim-openpgp is greyed out.

Hi

b7g7: have you installed gpgme?

> b7g7: have you installed gpgme? hannibal python3-gpg

For openpgp you need https://www.gnupg.org/related_software/gpgme/

On Arch Linux the package us called gpgme, not sure what's the name in other distros

hannibal, on Debian: The following NEW packages will be installed: gajim-openpgp python3-gpg

hannibal, https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/python3-gpg

Okay, that looks right. Have you tried to select/enable openpgp in a chat?

hannibal, Python interface to the GPGME GnuPG encryption library (Python 3)

> Okay, that looks right. Have you tried to select/enable openpgp in a chat? yes, nothing happened

b7g7, by selecting we mean, go to a chat click the lock icon and select openpgp

lovetox, yes, i know :)

does the plugin in the plugins window show as activated with a check

there are 2 checks, one for installed one for enabled

and which version do you see there

yes, it shows enabled. the gear wheel is greyed out.

lovetox, 1.7.8

> does the plugin in the plugins window show as activated with a check yes

yes the gear wheel is greyed out because it provides no funcitonaltiy for this plugin

ok so check view -> Debug Console

are there any errors that look related

hmm wait

the most current openpgp version is 1.6.2 ✏

so where the hell did you install that plugin from :D

lovetox, gajim 1.7.8, gajim-openpgp 1.5.0-1

ah ..

hm yeah check the debug console

maybe it shows errors

lovetox, openpgp works after fresh installation.

you could also consider flatpak installation

it has also the openpgp plugin

and this would bring you to the newest gajim version, and we did also work on the plugin

lovetox, ok thank you

Is there any way to remove the three selected emoji for reactions, I am never going to use them and they are distracting with a dark theme

just with modifing the code

gtk/widgets.py line 62

ic_: you can make the window narrow, then they are hidden

cal0pteryx thanks that works but it sort of defeats having a decent sized monitor

hi gajim team. any way i can reply to a msg in a group? to notify the sender im responding to. can't see an obvious way to do so? if not, then a way i can notify said sender.. with an @ or something, as is used on TG or other apps. thanks

depends on your version, in xmpp its enough to write the nick of the contact

you can type a few chars and use TAB to autocomplete

or click on the avatar

or use the Reply button in newer versions

ok thanks lovetox ... seems the *tab function works well*.. nice feature. no need for @. (well, if it has in fact notified you? ) ✏

Yes most clients have a logic to notify you if your nick is in a message

im running gajim 1.8.4 btw. on a linux. just installed few days ago, so assume its most up to date version

Its not a standard or anything but decade old custom

theundergrowth: most up to date version you can get via flathub. It's 1.9.5

ok. good to know about nicknames. interesting about newer version.. will check out.

also. any reason why i *wouldn't be able to Correct a message*? i was able to before.. now when check, that option isn't available. strange.

we only allow to correct the last message currently

could that be the reason?

yes. that must be it... only the last msg can be corrected.

and on that. it says *delete msgs locally*... does that mean that all my msgs shared on here on stored on some gajim server indefinitely? no way for me to completely remove my msgs from groups i post in?

currently not, there is a standard that is called "Message Retraction"

which is what you ask for, we will support this in one of the next versions

currently you can delete a message only localy from your database

lovetox, one more question concerning openpgp. Does Gajim upload automatically a public gpg key to a key server?

no

or wait

yes your public key is uploaded to the xmpp server

where other people can retrieve it, thats part of the standard

but not to PGP Keyservers

lovetox, uff ok

why would you need to upload it to a keyserver?

we dont use the PGP trustmodel, if thats your question

trust is managed in Gajim

also the key thatis generated should be dedicated to xmpp usage, its not a key you should use for anything else

lovetox, I'm a little confused b/c Conversations uses OpenKeychain to manage gpg/pgp keys

but conversations does not support this standard

ok, thanks lovetox . good to know the gajim set up.

there are 2 openpgp standards for xmpp

one very old one, lets call it legacy, this is implemented in the "PGP" plugin

> but conversations does not support this standard Theoretically they do. There is an option to use openpgp... with OpenKeyChain

it defers all work to the GPG binary, it does not create a keys for you, or does any trust managment

you have to do this all by yourself with standard PGP workflows via other applications

> Theoretically they do. There is an option to use openpgp... with OpenKeyChain b7g7: > there are 2 openpgp standards for xmpp

if you want to use PGP with conversations, you need to use the "PGP" plugin

not the "OpenPGP" plugin

lovetox, I see. Thank you

I think the confusion stems from this: Gajim calls it PGP Conversations calls it OpenPGP Gajim calls another encryption method OpenPGP

lissine, yes, exactly.

there are two XEPs for PGP, right?

Yes

There's the one everyone uses and the new one only gajim uses

They all use openpgp though...

Hello Gajim folks! ✏

From time to time some gajim user gets the infamous "This message was encrypted with OMEMO, but not for your device."

The related keys are there and appear trusted, and they use the usal "delete and restart Gajim" workaround.

Which solves the issue.

Can someone point me to the issue for this? ✏

I assume that there is already one, as I became aware of this workaround here.

it's tradition, not issue :)

Emil, 🙂️

resoli, there is no issue, and i dont think you should do that when you receive that message

the message ist not an error, it just tells you that the message was not encrypted for your device

if you want to debug that you would need to look at the sending client, and look why it does not encrypt for that device

Yes, but when this happens, boyh part have respective keys present and trusted.

hard to say without debug logs what goes wrong

And this happens quite often. People that use the workaround solve the problem without any apparent drawback.

yes, i believe that but this does not help us to find whats the problem

lovetox, yes of course. But this happened to me months ago last time.

I assumed the bug was known.

The next time we will manage to get some logs and open an issue

we fixed a long standing problem in Gajim 1.9.2

The two persons involved were running 1.9.5 on windows and 1.9.2 flatpak

I asked them few minutes ago.

there is no reason to run 1.9.2 with flatpak? how do they even do this, did they disable auto update on flatpak?

anyway

No, simply that persono did'nt know how to upgrade ...

so you are saying this happens between 2 Gajim clients?

I suggested to run `flatpak update` and he is running 1.9.5 now

> so you are saying this happens between 2 Gajim clients? yes, versions as said ✏ ↺

the only thing i know is that could cause this, is the 2000 unanswered message limit

They were in a private muc

if a device is online and is only receiver fro 2000 messages, never sends something

other Gajim clients will stop encrypting to that device, UNTIL it sends a message

there is no need to delete keys in this situation, simply send a message

I guess this doesn't apply

The write in the muc almost daily

or more frequently ...

just keep it in mind, 2000 messages sounds mucht, but really isnt, its proably a few days worth of messages

yeah but does he write from Gajim into this muc

or from his smartphone?

I will ask ... and report

anyway, if its two gajim its easy, enable debug logging, and when it happens send me the log

Great, we will surely manage to get his done. 👍️ ✏

hi. seems gajim doesn't have a way to *minimize the GUI, is that the case*? i need to choose option to *hide/show UI in the panel icon each time*. just wonder if im missing something.

anyone experiencing slowness/unresponsive UI since latest release on Windows?

tried to edit above post, but didn't seem to work.. i found solution. by using *minimize feature, when close the window*.. a handy workaround. any reason we can only *correct msgs once, and only for our last posted msg?*... not experienced it before in a messenger. just curious.

roughnecks: where and since which version does it happen for you?

1.9.5, everywhere, during normal usage, switching workspaces/mucs, for example, but also opening muc's details

scrolling too

When switching mucs, do you have the user list opened?

Does it help of you hide it?

I have it always opened, but now I've hidden it, will let you know ✏

Should help. Although Gajim is currently ported fromgtk3 to gtk4, which should bring some performance enhancements