Gajim - 2024-10-11

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I've never got the "Contact Connected" and "Contact Disconnected" notifications to work, which I assume are for contacts going online and offline?

lissine: Hello, can you apply to register me for the Telegram API? I've always had errors on my end

Was just planning to start using XMPP again, and I was kinda dismayed to find out that my favourite chat client has apparently been redesigned to look like Discord or most Matrix clients. Anyways, is there a way to just use the classic look, or at least change some setting so that avatars aren't mutilated by being cut down to a circle?

Afaik no

Well, I suppose I have something for my thesis proejct then. I dunno if it will be too ambitious for me, or maybe too simple given that not that much time has passed, but I'd love to just fork Gajim from the last classic version and merge in new features since then like integrated OMEMO support.

testaccount: you're on your own then

Well, I suppose it's a good opportunity to throw myself headfirst into development.

https://www.xmpp.jp/api/upload/dd36048fad1afd47d1663ae86ecf05533db7f16e/nCKOT5u6YWH7FnX0UBM4cJw6sZHN6pvC1AHyllcG/555bc3b9-8c5e-47e1-a9f5-c4b0e9c1ef17.png

https://www.xmpp.jp/api/upload/dd36048fad1afd47d1663ae86ecf05533db7f16e/DO0eJZhGK5sQkiMo4A0V3JuVKi0wcjICxf6PeSkw/ed2f2181-f7f2-45be-b670-3d32ace9a055.png

Who knows what that means?

It's some kind of encryption your contact uses

Tell him to stop

Is he using some kind of encryption tool to talk to me?

Yes Otr plugin

How do I install this plugin?

No idea it's not maintained by us

But you can simply write your contact a message

You are not forced to talk encrypted if you don't want to, or you can simply use the build in omemo encryption

So can he receive the ordinary messages I send to him?

Yes

Uh, is there any documentation available for the current theming system?

Or are the settings available in "theming" all there is to it? I was kinda thinking about trying to make Gajim look more like a classic chat client through that.

https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/css-overview.html

> or at least change some setting so that avatars aren't mutilated by being cut down to a circle? testaccount: someone linked this a few months back https://dev.narayana.im/narayana/gajim-avatarshapeplugin

you can modify gajim.css

> you can modify gajim.css Was just checking it out, unfortunately setting "border-radius" to 0 did seemingly nothing. ↺

Would it be possible to fetch the latest ~50 messages first and then older messages if you haven't used Gajim in a while? That way one could start chatting or interacting quicker in a busy channel. ✏

testaccount, the avatar is drawn with cairo not with css

meson, no that would raise the complexity to for me unacceptable level for very little gain

Yeah, I think I see your issue with the ordering.

for such a feature we wait on some XEP that adds some ordering attribute to mam messages then, it would be easier

Hi guys. It's me again. Still tryin' to get PGP working. Can you tell me why does gajim show it like this? I have set trust level to ultimate for this key in pgp

https://jabber.tomatnoe-pivo.com:5443/upload/304550f9071a16aadb6a11259cc88ea0f1f43ff1/R8aWSh69vEtLlDgNx9qW66G72b0GhYV2ZEJU7nqR/cba294f4-5f7f-4a97-abbe-7b95687ebd7e.png

its not implemented to request the trust at message decryption time

so it will always show this

Ah okay. I get it. Thank you

Btw. I finally was able to establish communication between Conversations and Gajim with PGP in a private chat. But looks like it doesn't work for private groups at all

no it does not

why dont you use OMEMO? compared to PGP you would have encryption working in seconds

> why dont you use OMEMO? compared to PGP you would have encryption working in seconds The only reason I'm trying to set up PGP is to have consistent history across multiple devices. I know it's a security tradeoff but also a great advantage in usability (at least for me)

do you host your own server?

> do you host your own server? Yes ↺

Why?

because this would have made less sense if not, because servers have retention periods and delete your archive after some days

in general i have the opinion that exporting your chat history to plaintext on your computer, and make backups is the better solution

yours need constant server backups, and you depend on clients that can actually query the archive for all messages

for example Gajim does only let you query 7 days back on account setup

so its not unlikely that you end up with a big server archive of a year of messages, and have no good way to search it

because no client allows you to search the archive, you are lucky if a client lets you endless scroll through your archive, but the bigger it gets the more bad this UX gets

even if a client would have the capability to search the server archive, it would not work because you encrypted it

> because no client allows you to search the archive Does the current spec allow that?

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0431.html

Thanks