Gajim - 2024-10-02

> Why does the participant list report 367 users, while the chat details 377 (for this MUC)? I think the chat details page shows the occupants count returned by the disco info request done when it first connects and gajim doesn't update that count. ↺

I'm getting a traceback when I press the 'Reset' buttons for 'Send chatstate in group chats' and 'Send read markers', but it looks like it's reported here https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11377

should I just not bother with it?

it's doing in on accounts that have no contacts so I guess I'll make an issue ✏

it's doing in on accounts that have no contacts so I guess I'll comment on the issue ✏

gajim wasn't sending chatstates for multiple accounts yet did on a newer account, verified by watching the xml logs. Somehow I got it to start sending them but I don't really know how I did it.

Does gajim show typing notifications for multiple users typing concurrently? What is the limit on how many it shows?

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/7MhtH5504HsrWya1szoS_Spz/Screenshot_20241002_100341.png

looks like there's a string substution issue, at least for the french translation, with the latest gajim :)

My apologies for not having time to test the "User nickname" MR update lovetox, I have not forgotten!

hmmm .. i broke this, it does not work as i intended

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master cfix: Translation: Add python format substitution again - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/e4ecbef5d36157d34e0ebb9e7f73e11f57d4cf15

Hey guys, I accidently pushed middle mouse button on a chat and now it is gone :O

How can I get this chat back? :'(

STRG + N and search for the contact

start a new chat?

The list does not show the contact and if I type the name i get a dns error..

so how did you contact the person?

was it a PM from a groupchat?

try maybe CTRL + SHIF + W

I was CTRL + SHIFT + W! What's this command for?

And I also typed the wrong name before..

CTRL + W is the close chat command

and + SHIFT is revert

Ah thanks! Can I turn of the middle mouse action?

nope currently not ✏

Okay, but good to know how to revert it, thank you very much!

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Voice Message: Handle error when temp folder is not available - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/f8edd66b428dff3bf4c9fabaea3106bbaf9aada3

crazy idea: in 1:1, if the contact is typing we don't actually need to see "has read up to this point" (because if they're typing, they most likely have). I'm not sure about it, but it does look a little "off" to see both things. I'll probably just get used to it =)

https://upload.slidge.im:5281/file_share/oPFf6PSrX4oE9A3VfJfwu_24/Screenshot_20241002_153309.png

nicoco, are we sure about that? maybe someone can start to type without all messages synchronized?

ok and when he stops typing? we should show "read up to this point" again?

sounds unnecessary complex for a few seconds

where you see boht

We just need ... https://github.com/dino/dino/pull/895 > support for Real Time Text

For 1-1 chats, why not show a second tickmark to indicate that the contact has read a message?

For group chats, the second tickmark could indicate that at least someone has read the message

And the list of contacts who read the message can be shown when hovering over the tickmarks (or the already-suggested eye icon)

lissine, There's a draft MR for this already: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/merge_requests/980 ✏

Do you guys use a different theme for gajim? The default dark one is fine, but I'm curious what's out there.

> We just need ... > https://github.com/dino/dino/pull/895 >> support for Real Time Text Wtf who want that crazy useless thing. So when you write too quickly that your friends is a fucking moron without pressing enter. He will just see it ✏

No need to cuss at your friends ;)

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Debug Console: Fix search occurrence position - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/ac4dd77e1836b440aec6928e2d5de6b2ab17a16f

So... who thought it was a good idea to waste more screen estate on the _is typing_ indicator, instead of just leaving it at the top? I'm trying to find a good reason for this, but I'm at a loss here.

Anon Ymous: perhaps try suggesting an alternative in a more productive, less condescending way

Replacing the chat description underneath the chat title when someone was typing was great imho

yes and other users thought not so, because you look on the input with your eyes when you type and not to the top of the chat

also, we checked two other famous messengers and they do it on the bottom too (ms teams, elements) ✏

Plus it was buggy at the top, it made the scrolled window scroll up in group chats, if there was no description

Ok, then I'll do some hacking to get rid of it

Have fun

Thx 😉

Hello from gajim 1.9.5 :D

> So... who thought it was a good idea to waste more screen estate on the _is typing_ indicator, instead of just leaving it at the top? I'm trying to find a good reason for this, but I'm at a loss here. I did. I still do. ↺

Oh still haven't looked at that particular change I should. No preconception I remember that it was confusing for me that it was up there, I forget about it... Always

Actually, I feel good every time I see the new typing indicator and remember what an improvement it is

>I remember that it was confusing for me that it was up there, I forget about it... Always Even worse is when it actually does grab your attention and your eyes are darting all over the place. It was a terrible solution, in my opinion.

I agree with that explanation I'll try to make a feedback once I tried it

I like this new way 🤟️

Congrats all we just experienced https://xkcd.com/1172/ first hand

The new way is great and standard. It's how most people expect it to work

That's how I thought of it. It just seems like the obvious thing to do.

Lol