Gajim - 2024-09-30

is there no way to export bookmarks or to join many chats via a saved file of bookmarks?

xmppc can maybe do what you're looking for?

Seems like an odd use case though. Are you just trying to sync chats between clients or something?

in this case, it was for the purpose of debugging. But I can also imagine it being useful for migrating between accounts.

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> is there no way to export bookmarks or to join many chats via a saved file of bookmarks? fjklp, accounts -> account -> advanced -> PEP configuration -> urn:xmpp:bookmarks:1 -> show contents -> copy You can do the same steps and paste the bookmarks there ↺

I actually did copy that but where would it be pasted? you mean to join again?

You can craft a bookmark query and send it via XML console

But with bookmarks 2 that is not really viable, if you use bookmark 1 this should work ✏

Since recent times (not sure, if last release), there appears a typing notification from the contact directly overlaying the last message of the dialog, making it unreadable until a new message is sent. Workaround: I'm sending one or two dummy messages (e.g. just a ".") to provoke scrolling. But my contacts are not amused by that.

I too would like a different typing notification but maybe we haven't reached a solution everyone likes?

> You can craft a bookmark query and send it via XML console ah, thanks. Looks like I'm using bookmarks:1. what uses bookmarks:2? ↺

I think the blank line above the text input box without a divider on top might work well

I also think it might be a good idea to have an option to disable it, regardless of design

> I too would like a different typing notification but maybe we haven't reached a solution everyone likes? I wanted to gather some broader feedback. I'll have a look in the evening ↺

How do other messengers handle this? Can't imagine that it's an umsolved problem :)

> I actually did copy that but where would it be pasted? you mean to join again? fjklp: you can paste it in the same place you copied it from (but perhaps for a different account)

> How do other messengers handle this? Can't imagine that it's an umsolved problem :) this is what I was thinking but I never got around to checking. maybe I'll do that. ↺

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mods im not even gonna bother downloading that image to see what shit this guy has posted asterix lovetox cal0pteryx

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kali [she/they]: thanks

thanks for moderating

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looks like that spammer has been hitting a few MUCs ✏

SBAU (spammer business as usual)

> I wanted to gather some broader feedback. I'll have a look in the evening Nice. I took a look at Element, the main client for Matrix. They have their message input space similar to gajim but there is actually no box surrounding it. They also have a lot of space between the text input line and the lowest line of chat. When a typing notification shows up, they push the chat up one line. When the notification finishes, the chat stays in that raised spot. They actually have a huge gap there. ✏ ↺

https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/hFmB01O8HZ_NC_tn/pausedcomposing.png

> Since recent times (not sure, if last release), there appears a typing notification from the contact directly overlaying the last message of the dialog, making it unreadable until a new message is sent. > Workaround: I'm sending one or two dummy messages (e.g. just a ".") to provoke scrolling. But my contacts are not amused by that. This is how it looks for me, btw. ↺

Contact redacted, of course.

debacle: click on the ... symbol, then it's hidden and you can see

cal0pteryx: here's a demo of the element messenger typing notification https://gofile.io/d/TQ2Ffu

Works!

fjklp: thanks

you might want to save that if you want to see it later

they seem quite comfortable with using vertical space for various notifications

After finding out about the "...", I'm actually happy with the Gajim way of doing this. It eats less screen real estate than the Element style, which would conflict with my X220 screen size 😁️

debacle: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It's... it's just one line 😭

Yes, one line here for this and one line there for that — and then there are no lines to read the chat anymore 😀️ For a function, that is nice, but OTOH not extremely relevant. For people with larger screens or better eyes (= smaller font), the trade-off might be different, of course.

Anyway, I can live with one line less, sure.

debacle: Gajim is a desktop messenger, not made for mobil :X

Joking aside, the kde survey revealed that astonishing many still use sth like 720p ✏

X220 has 1366×768 pixels. That should be sufficient for a chat app 😀️

debacle: how many lines of text does your display show at the resolution you have set?

Here is this very chat I see 23 lines of text. If somebody sends a single emoji line, that drops to around 20.

I.e. I see now nine messages here.

For comparison: In Conversations on a Pixel 4a, I see 20 lines or 8 messages right now here.

hi, I wanted to ask, does the "request voice" button in public MUCs works in gajim at all? ✏

Yeah it pops up as an alert

I tried it and it didn't seem to notify any of the moderators

Oh well the mods themselves have to have a client that supports it

also it's the button is always active, it doesn't gray out once you click it

mike, I see

I guess I can't know it for sure

If I don't get voice in a day or so I usually then send a PM

Usually these channels allow PMs to mods

I see, thanks

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master imprv: DebugConsole: Show "Log" when opening the dialog - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/2a70bad41ea9c06bc905fc1cb2681e1f37af8ee5

meson, your MR is unnecessary

i already fixed that yesterday, the dir is created when you call get_temp_dir()

your code calls it only right before making a recording

I see

Thanks, too bad I had overlooked it

and because of the ruff error

just so you understand whats wrong

_("error: %s" % exception)

however, your commit doesn't seem to fully fix it. When I delete the folder and continue a recording, there's no error for the user displayed, but the duration label stucks

thats essentially what you did

which means the translator will translate "error: %s"

but at runtime this string is never passed to the function _()

because at runtime the string is changed with the current exception error

then passed to the function, which will find no translated string

thanks, makes sense

_("error: %s") % exception

that way we always pass the same string to the translate function, and modify it only after translation with the current error

got it :)

about your MR, you mean in the case when we pause a recording?

yes you can check in that case and display the error

instead of saving a dir var

you can simply do self._file_path.parent

meson, i think you are missing a return after calling the error

and dont do log.debug() do rather log.warning()

then the error will show up under View -> DebugConsole

or actually even, log.error()

i mean this is a error ..

> meson, i think you are missing a return after calling the error you mean the annotation right? -> None ↺

> i mean this is a error .. sure :) ↺

same goes for other things like .. ? > log.debug('Could not set up full audio recording pipeline.')

(maybe something for a different mr)

yeah leave other stuff now, just for the future

no i mean after calling _handle_error_output_dir_inaccessible()

or do you want to start a new recording instanstly while at the same time telling the user about an error?

that was my intention, UX could be debatable

but thats weird, its a paused recording right?

i come back want to continue, press play, somewhere in the corner a little error text shows, but will i see it? or simply continue talking while reading at the same time

now i stop because it says something about an error

the recording is not a continuation anymore, so either way fucked

i stop, and start from new

alright, I try to get it right

i think when pressing record, simply showing the error and reseting everything? then the user has to press again to restart

i found another weird error just now

click record -> click pause -> dont move your mouse from the position where you clicked pause, try to click record again, doesnt work for me, you need to move the mouse a inch, only then it lets you click the button again

> click record -> click pause -> dont move your mouse from the position where you clicked pause, try to click record again, doesnt work for me, you need to move the mouse a inch, only then it lets you click the button again seen that too, but I could not explain where it comes from (gtk likely?) and didn't consider it a big issue ↺

the MR should be ready from my side.

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master change: Move chat state indicator above message input - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/d609103b2be58f2484585498de4eab3ba81bf62e

lovetox pushed 3 commits to branch gajim/master chore: Flatpak: Update dependencies - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/60cf8265bcc0dbde5fd8e18e362e40d7e294fb4b chore: Update translations - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/a8b8e26dd64d2bc1e44a24992fe5b30eb059e2ef release: 1.9.5 - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/a97b17479ddf2d6add9755e19b3271487eacef78

oh wow, wasn't expected 1.9.5 to be released today! Cool!

Hop, Gajim and website translated to french again