Gajim - 2024-08-26

> weird, but seems like a sever issue probably > > is this your server? Yes, this is my own server. However, nothing related to the issue I can found in the log.

lovetox: What is more weird, in ~/.cache/gajim/avatars I can see my avatar file

lovetox: So I assume Gajim is doing that ok, and the problem is in displaying avatar picture in the gui

Test

Test2

you can gather detailed debug logs with `gajim -l gajim.c.m.useravatar=DEBUG`

thank you, I will try

Hm, absolutely nothing related to my avatar in the log when running with that parameter.

However, urn:xmpp:avatar:metadata - exists and has data urn:xmpp:avatar:data - exists but empty when checked in Accounts->Advanced->PEP configuration

Hm, not exactly... urn:xmpp:avatar:data actually has data, but when I click on "show content" it looks empty. However if select all and copy/paste to text editor from empty window it has proper data I believe

When I do test and change my avatar in another client (Conversations in Android), then when I check urn:xmpp:avatar:data in Gajim, it really changes, so I believe XMPP on server-client levels working ok, properly updating data. Howver Gajim still shows my avatar in the left bottom corner as general letter M on blue background.

Did you copy the log command?

Yes sure, copied, run, checked the log output and found absolutely nothing about my avatar there

Please send the output

I also have a feeling that I'll need to wipe my account and re-create from scratch as I assume there might be something wrong

lovetox: Sometimes to shows as below:

2024-08-26T16:39:26 (W) gajim.gtk.profile Unable to get access model for urn:xmpp:avatar:metadata: Error from magicum@magicum.net: item-not-found 2024-08-26T16:39:26 (W) gajim.gtk.profile Unable to get access model for urn:xmpp:avatar:data: Error from magicum@magicum.net: item-not-found

However, they do have data inside

Hmm seems the server does not let us query it

I would try to look in server debug logs at that time of query

It will probably reveal some kind of database issue or mod issue

You should ask in the server support channel for help

I run Prosody, the same as you, all required mods are there: pep, vcard_legacy, etc

I can not comment on that

I still suspect a db might be the reason though, that's why I am planning to wipe everything on server and re-create from scratch. Account/server were created about 9 yerrs ago and may have some issues I think

The server answers that the data is not there

So it's very clearly a server problem

ok, if server doesn't provide with that data, how the Gajim can show this?

https://upload.magicum.net/file_share/c5cfd5d3-85f0-4b34-a1aa-7df5e522dcb3/8086e95b-2681-49b0-81e8-1aa2bab3070b.png

It's a different query

I never seen this problem, looks like something is fucked up on the server

possibly

Whicc can easily happen with mods that are not compatible with each other

That's why I recommend to ask in the prosody channel

Hello. New messages don't show up when the window is maximized. I know that there are new messages because on the roster I see the preview. But they do not appear on the chat section.

Even messages that I send, they do not appear.

cynic: which version?

1.8.4

https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/7itTLNOO1SvXjd0yJ3xQFglsBybMdWap1CvvM7mD/64948b2b-395e-4acb-8961-9a071c80fb94.png

> https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/7itTLNOO1SvXjd0yJ3xQFglsBybMdWap1CvvM7mD/64948b2b-395e-4acb-8961-9a071c80fb94.png Stuck at removing an account. Version 1.9.3 (Windows) ✏ ↺

damn, Alpine is too far behind

1.8.4

https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=gajim&branch=edge&repo=&arch=&maintainer=

I can't find my copntacts' OMEMO keys.

*contacts'

In the contact info

https://macaw.me:5443/upload/cc753902b5eea4e35253dd140b84fecd17db45b5/assurW0soPfU1dof4XWOOKDqmEHhCp1mhK4YMnsY/f825f464-49c4-4761-bd64-cf0bb81e9c15.png

here?

I looked there

Couldn't find any fingerprint

"here" meaning "Details"

I clicked on that

huh, what version of Gajim has a hamburger menu at the bottom like that? ✏

IIRC I installed it from the Debian repos

please share the version info from the help/about section

but most likely you are on a very outdated version if you use the Debian stale repos

latest is 1.9.3

best installed as a Flatpak

1.7.3

Is it more up-to-date in the Fedora repos?

(I'm running QubesOS with two templates installed and chose Debian because I was more familiar with it)

>1.7.3 Are there any security vulns I need to be aware of?

> Is it more up-to-date in the Fedora repos? I somehow have Gajim installed from outside the Fedora repos. ↺

version 1.7.3

$ sudo dnf search installed gajim [sudo] password for burgh: Last metadata expiration check: 0:19:44 ago on Mon 26 Aug 2024 08:14:39 AM CDT. No matches found. $ dnf search gajim Last metadata expiration check: 9 days, 9:40:54 ago on Fri 09 Aug 2024 04:10:02 PM CDT. ================================================ Name Exactly Matched: gajim ================================================ gajim.noarch : Jabber client written in PyGTK

I'm not sure if it is even older in the repo. Can you tell?

> best installed as a Flatpak Maybe that is what I have, but need to update it? ↺

well, up to you, but we can't really answer support questions for massively outdated versions here.

update first and see if your issue persists.

Ok

Might switch to Arch

Good move, pretty silly to run distros with ancient software only to try to run up to date software with flatpak...

Looks like Gajim there is much more up to date: https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Gajim

Flatpak is inconvenient and possibly less secure with QubesOS anyway.

> Might switch to Arch You can run an updated gajim version in a python virtual environment. ↺

> Good move, pretty silly to run distros with ancient software only to try to run up to date software with flatpak... snaps and flatpaks are isolated from the main OS. ↺

>> Good move, pretty silly to run distros with ancient software only to try to run up to date software with flatpak... > snaps and flatpaks are isolated from the main OS. Meh. If you want isolation run them on a seperate computer or in a sandbox tool on yours. Mixing (poor) package management with (poor) sandboxing isn't helpful ↺

> Meh. If you want isolation run them on a seperate computer or in a sandbox tool on yours. > > Mixing (poor) package management with (poor) sandboxing isn't helpful I am assuming you are talking about flatpaks and I am not saying you are wrong but their is the fabolous snaps. ↺

hah

snap is proprietary which makes it entirely useless for distributing free software period. flatpak is just a poor package manager and a poor sandbox that, as far as I can tell, only exists because gnome wants control over a store like Apple? And/or so people who choose to run old software by choosing Debian or similar can work around their choice by running up to date software too? Doesn't make much sense to me.

flatpack contrary to Snap is not tied to a single store

i use debian and most of the time it has prety recent versions of gajim

sometimes new gajim requires som newer python libraries and cannot be added to stable backports, but still it is not delayed too much.

The snap store is proprietary.

You can use a rolling distro but enjoy your bugs and exploits.

and package management mishaps

snap is unacceptable, won't ever touch it

I keep missing messages, I only know I received them because they appear on the sidebar preview ✏

I keep missing messages, I only know that I received them because they appear on the sidebar preview ✏

And they get stuck there forever.

> Might switch to Arch On Fedora the package just got a new maintainer, let's hope for the best ✏

but Fedora has excellent Flatpak support so I guess it doesn't matter that much. Still nice to know they are working on packaging.

> You can use a rolling distro but enjoy your bugs and exploits. > and package management mishaps None of this ever happens though, it's only Debian and Ubuntu users complaining about old broken software everywhere, why keep living like that when there's a better way? :'(

I thought Arch is supposed to be bleeding edge? Gajim 1.9.3 was released on July 29 but didn't make it into Arch Extra-Testing repo until August 16.

arch is driven by volunteers

> I thought Arch is supposed to be bleeding edge? Gajim 1.9.3 was released on July 29 but didn't make it into Arch Extra-Testing repo until August 16. scandalous! ↺

anyways... I think Fedora has the best compromise between stability and up to date packages...

one can also just make their own pkgbuild

my point is just that you can't have it both ways. Is it bleeding edge or is it sometimes bleeding edge?

I thought that was one of the main selling points of Arch

submit a patch

it's also august and most civilized countries have the month off

> my point is just that you can't have it both ways. Is it bleeding edge or is it sometimes bleeding edge? fjklp: no it's not bleeding edge, it's just the latest released versions of software, you know, the ones with all the bugs fixed ↺

Anyway I agree with Kris I hear Fedora keeps packages up to date too and so is also a good option ✏

from what I've seen fedora does look pretty good on package freshness