Gajim - 2024-07-25

Newby here. Auditioning both Gajim and Dino on Linux machine... to replace Signal. Initial thoughts on Gajim and a question. Love the ability to delete old messages in Gajim and that will probably carry the day. But the high chroma color pallat is a bit much. Any way to tone that down?

Jim: What are you referring wo with "delete old messages"?

Gajim does support custom gtk3 themes

it will follow the theme set on your system for gtk3

if you use flatpak, you will have to do a bit more

Thanks for quick response. Points me in a direction.

I only know linux at present. I really ought to run gajim in windows some so I can answer common questions. Are you linux or windows?

Linux only... moved from Mac a couple years ago.

Regarding the deleting of messages, I just wanted to make sure you know that gajim doesn't have message retraction. 'Delete locally' will only delete the message from your gajim instance. ✏

Ok. For me, on gnome, I can just run gnome-tweaks to set a custom theme. It's under Appearance > Legacy Applications in gnome-tweaks.

Understand the local part... but some benefit just to remove the visual clutter. But one can also clear history for individual contacts.

Also, Gajim > Preferences > Style allows you to select dark theme if your system has one. You can also customize some colors there in gajim.

By the way, I'ver gravitated to Fedora.

I'm on ubuntu but fedora is kind of tempting with the good package freshness. Might try it eventually.

I find it interesting that you are looking to replace Signal with xmpp. What makes you go with xmpp? ✏

Signal is not a replacement for XMPP.

XMPP is too extensible to even be related to signal at all.

Signal does not guarantee message transport security.

fjkip... to Fedora from Mint. Fedora has ben stable and has layout similar ro Mac from whence I came. XMPP has always been in the back of my mind but I thought it was a bit much for to ask of friends an family. (They tolerate my security bent.) Signal was something they could swallow... initially. Now I can move them to XMPP. Why XMPP... security.

ONG... 1) Not replacing XMPP with Signal. Rather, the other way around. 2) They are related in that they are both communication tools. One is more palitable (to those who humor me); the other is "more better" with security. 3) It's a progression of steady improvement (without losing friends) 4) I didn't say they were equivalent.

I also switched my old laptop from Mint to Fedora. Fedora is awesome & really stable! Main desktop runs arch (btw)

you are aware OMEMO was based off signal right?

Only really dislike gnome and its clunkiness

> I also switched my old laptop from Mint to Fedora. Fedora is awesome & really stable! Main desktop runs arch (btw) gajim on fedora is painful ↺

you got to flatpak it

or so I heard

Meh don't feel like flatpakking

compile it

use 1 or 2 cores

I was trying to actually get it on my mac today, but didn't finish in succeeding due to some errors idk

wasnt really focussed so I just quit it and called it a day

> Good news: seems like the drag drop problem with Gajim flatpak is a reported plasma issue after all. meson: could you share a link?

I am facing issue with Gajim in Windows. It is not starting, I was able to setup account but the app is having issue starting up. Please help

I think this is the problem recently discovered for windows

> You can find Windows Store Apps in the hidden folder > `C:/Program Files/WindowsApps/` this ↺

> Fun fact, when I copy the gajim folder there to eg the desktop (for permissions issues) and try to start Gajim then, it works. Can confirm that it doesn't start from the Windows 10 Store and this ↺

AtulRaj: is it from the microsoft store?

Yes it was

then I tried .exe too

The version from our website?

There should be a debug exe in the install folder try launching that

And send the output

Or try launching gajims from the terminal

Okay thanks will send it

Starting Gajim from either bin/gajim-debug.exe or bin/gajim.exe works just fine. only clicking the system's Gajim shortcut doesn't seem to work

? But we did not change anything there

Hello there :)

Thanks for Gajim, it's quite nice !

Windows event log sadly doesn't help.

m: thanks

>> Good news: seems like the drag drop problem with Gajim flatpak is a reported plasma issue after all. > meson: could you share a link? hannibal: Dnd https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490653 Color scheme update https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421745

> Windows event log sadly doesn't help. Haven't seen anything there too yesterday. Has anyone checked if any other app is affected and if people started ranting on the web already?

Hi If I want to search using `from:nick` and the nick contains spaces, how do I escape them?

> Hi > If I want to search using `from:nick` and the nick contains spaces, how do I escape them? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11355 ↺

I have encountered a bug in the app that affects the text display. When the text exceeds the display frame, it does not wrap automatically, causing it to be cut off and unreadable.

https://suchat.org:5443/upload/d79be536c0b29d52473762afe09b2e6163362789/GERRds8GFcR159kX9UYNaJyqu3OXIdsVSpK9QdVS/a99f679e-92d4-49b2-8b1d-d1d663f627b3.png

The reason seems to be that excessively long URLs do not automatically wrap

https://suchat.org:5443/upload/d79be536c0b29d52473762afe09b2e6163362789/SIFKtUBQBYLKxv6VcDwvT6izLAmqLgpd0tBeGqTI/7f838e67-2a73-423e-a4f8-9897191df5df.png

And it affected all the messages

leke, leke: that's a known issue, a GTK bug

ok

Gah! I hate Windows! I'm trying to fix Gajim for a relative, and it refuses to open.

What was the last version of Gajim that was NOT installed from the M$ store?

goblinking: you can install the latest Gajim from both the MS store and the Gajim website

Doesn't it just link to the store?

I'm looking at the homepage on Linux, and then I click "Other Platforms," and now I can see Gajim Portable - that it?

No. Also, see: > Fun fact, when I copy the gajim folder there to eg the desktop (for permissions issues) and try to start Gajim then, it works. Can confirm that it doesn't start from the Windows 10 Store > > How odd

Yes, they're using Windows 10.

goblinking: download Gajim or download Gajim portable. Both are exe installs ✏

Where's the rest of the thread you linked? I'm not sure how to follow it with Dino.

I copy what folder to where?

> You can find Windows Store Apps in the hidden folder > `C:/Program Files/WindowsApps/`

Ah, yeah, I found that earlier. Tried running it from the command prompt, passing -v and whatnot, still never opened.

So, some permissions problem? Someone didn't get some app manifest right? Is there an issue opened already?

The issue is known ✏

Is there a way to export / convert chat history etc, in case I would want to switch to some other software?

Ah, wait - Gajim is the only Windows XMPP client with OMEMO support.

Does the MS Store allow you to install a previous version? Like, 1.9.1?

I doubt it

So, what's a good course of action? Uninstall MS Store version, install regular .exe, keep it that way?

if you need it working immediately, yes

or no

you dont actually need to unstinstall ms store

leave it, and install portable exe for now as workaround

user can normally chat, and we hope in a few days ms store will work again, then you install ms store update and deinstall portable

Well, considering I already uninstalled and reinstall the MS Store version today, I just uninstalled it again and now it's working, finally.

How'd you reinstall from the store? It's not available at the moment, is it?

lovetox: do you know what the issue was?

no, im not sure there is an issue

> Starting Gajim from either bin/gajim-debug.exe or bin/gajim.exe works just fine. only clicking the system's Gajim shortcut doesn't seem to work i can not confirm this, just installed both exe files, and everything worked normally ↺

my ms store is somehow broken, i will try tomorrow to install it via msstore

but if reinstall fixed the problem, i think that at least a doable workaround

Yeah I could not start when I installed it with the MS store. Otherwise it worked fine

and did you try to reinstall?

actually i dont know if uninstalling deletes the user data on the ms store version

No, I didn't.

so it just doesnt work now? or what was you solution

my solution was to find the hidden installation folder, change it's permission so that I can access it, copied it to the destkop and started Gajim from there ✏

my solution was to find the hidden installation folder, change its permission so that I can access it, copied it to the destkop and started Gajim from there ✏

So to me it feels like the linking to gajim.exe is maybe broken

so its not actually the app that has a problem ..

lovetox, by bin/gajim.exe (and gajim-debug.exe) I meant both .exe files from the MS Store

ah ok

my store works now but no time to debug today

ok, will try tomorrow

when I checked the folder, I had two folders containing "gajim" + garbled id stuff. I think this used to be one. they both had the same modification timestamp, but one was missing almost every file (just 4 files left), and the manifest file was incomplete

I saved that folder

cal0pteryx: confirmed

cal0pteryx: what happens when you give that folder the name of the other?

Hi. For security, I should start publicizing my OMEMO fingerprints via my social media profiles, mail signatures etc. Is there any drawback to this practice I am not anticipating?

you can ... the only thing that comes to mind is, that a omemo key is not like pgp key where you have the same key for all your devices

over time you will get more and more keys, as you install gajim or other xmpp clients on more devices

means you need to change or update your published fingerprints more often

meson: I wasn't able to test further, because the store version wasn't available anymore at that point

i extracted the 2 packages

and nothing changed in the manifest other than the version

maybe uninstall reinstall really works

i really doubt this is caused by Gajim ..

I had an issue with gajim on qubes couldn't update to latest version. That being said this was year or so ago

> i really doubt this is caused by Gajim .. That would be extra-annoying ↺

Thank you lovetox!