Gajim - 2024-07-14

There is an issue, I hope I can describe it enough: There is a chat between me and my friend, we both type in Arabic (Right to Left), lately, we shared long links from like amazon, aliexpress .., and links in English (Left to Right), then after that, when ever I write or receive in Arabic, I can't see them, I have to make the app window very big to see, and some time I can see some, and the other time I can't see anything.

Sally: Interesting. I am able to reproduce it. It is due to a bug workaround that was required recently due to a bug in a text rendering library. The fix prevents wrapping lines, except between words. So when you post a long link, it widens the text view beyond the screen size, which causes the right aligned text to go to the right margin, which is now outside of the screen.

Sally: here is an issue regarding it. https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11854

in the meantime, I know you can hold the shift key and scroll down with the mouse scroll wheel to scroll to the right to see text there

please look at these two images:

https://upload.movim.eu/files/4bf17ecd6275fd1c058734a05b190aade37ffe52/bUuRg1MGzQvx/Screenshot_from_2024-07-13_21-13-42.png

https://upload.movim.eu/files/4bf17ecd6275fd1c058734a05b190aade37ffe52/6bTmL0USzncn/Screenshot_from_2024-07-13_21-13-58.png

The first one, I can't see which has been written in Arabic,

yes, I think I understand

but with the second one, I maximize the window, so I was able to see all messages.

I was able to reproduce it

fjklp, You are right, it is the same problem, thank you.

fjklp, Good idea about the shift key with scrolling mouse.

fjklp, I am glad, that has been opened a report regarding that.

Thank you fjklp

I'll let the devs know about this too

no problem

fjklp, I've already updated the link https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11854 with additional related problem. Thank you.

excellent. you're welcome.

I forgot my jabber password, does anyone know how to retrieve it?

Please help me, great gods

xiaopi8: usually gajim saves it to the system keyring

> xiaopi8: usually gajim saves it to the system keyring Bro, where should I check it? ↺

do you always manually enter the password when starting gajim?

> do you always manually enter the password when starting gajim? yes ↺

you might be out of luck

额

check your keyring with whichever tool for your desktop environment

seahorse let's you browse the gnome keyring

but I have no idea if it's there, might not be

I don't understand now, I'm sad

are you on linux?

no

in that case I probably am not able to help

but it might not be saved anyway

Okay, brother, it’s okay, I believe there will be kind people to help me!

you could try asking in xmpp:support@joinjabber.org?join

> Okay, brother, it’s okay, I believe there will be kind people to help me! ... hi,- but what system are you on, then ? ↺

replies do not summon people

oh,- sry

> ... hi,- but what system are you on, then ? Windows ↺

xiaopi8: hi,- ( I know those password storage problems myself a lot, too ) but unfortunately ...you will have look through the documentations and read several tuto's if you want to try to get back ...account -details or passwords... ...do you need links to read ?

What should I do?

as fjklp said;- did you ask already in the xmpp:support@joinjabber.org?join ?? ... ...you will have to go through the different gajim documentations to see if you could find the location for the important gajim systems storage locations on your system ...

f.e. > https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/wikis/home

> https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/wikis/help/Help

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/wikis/help/Backup

> Windows > On Windows all data is stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/gajim

xiaopi8: I don't use windows so I'm fairly clueless. It looks like gajim might store passwords in something called credential manager or credential locker

xiaopi8: .. ?? --

It's a bit hard to find.

I'm going to break down

xiaopi8: ( ...don't you break down,...pls ! ) ...did you look for : > > On Windows all data is stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/gajim ?!

> xiaopi8: ( ...don't you break down,...pls ! ) > ...did you look for : > > On Windows all data is stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/gajim ?! Where can I view this database? ↺

%APPDATA%/roaming/gajim

dislive5: are you sure that's where passwords are stored?

seems more like it would be configuration data

xiaopi8: have you tried opening the run menu and typing 'credential'?

No, can you login with Gajims? Then simply use the change password dialog, if you can't login the password is not stored

> xiaopi8: have you tried opening the run menu and typing 'credential'? Which Run Menu? ↺

> No, can you login with Gajims? Then simply use the change password dialog, if you can't login the password is not stored I have the password I had before the change, but now my password has been changed by someone else and I can't log in now ↺

you should have said that before

at the start

Sorry, I forgot about this.

I'm guessing you will not be able to get access. I think all you can do is talk to the server admin, but without an account recovery method being in place, I imagine it's hopeless ✏

fjklp: ... hi ,- ..to be sincere ,- I am not sure because I don't use windows either ! ..-- but I searched several docu's for this problem and quotet 'one ... ...

dislive5: it doesn't even matter now

fjklp: yes ,- I see

dislive5: where did you come up with this use of hyphens? I've never seen that done in my life.

Where should I find the administrator of the xabber.de server?

fjklp: ... well,- sry ...again,- give me one second to translate your message and maybe I 'll get a chance to learn how to use this dino chat correctly ... ;-) ...-- just wanted to try to help and learn s.th here for myself but I am not really used to use often puplic chats ... So, now you teach me 🙂 , please

dislive5: oh, maybe a translator is the cause. Not sure. I was just curious about your use of the '-' character as I've not seen it used as you do. You don't need to worry about it :)

dislive5:Can you please tell me where I can find the server administrator of xabber.de?

xiaopi8: email info@draugr.de . Otherwise, we really can't do more to help you here.

fjklp: ...no ,- really ,- the cause is to try to elabourate my chat abilities ...-- but I am true when I say, that I am really intersted in this password - keyring data problem ...

https://upload.jabber.cz/upn1/2e4f62f5e60004441477b93a5bfe8d93ec0f96f4/a7gzQPnUYks686S47jP17M0YJavcz3LJO7bz708A/63c9afcf-0c32-44d8-aaa9-429a8dfae8d1.png

xiaopi8: well, I feel sorry about but then pls. follow the instruction from fjklp and try to reach the admin for your jabber account id by emailing info@draugr.de if this is xmpp provider of yours

hi

i get service unavailable error when chat my friend

do you know if there is a OTR plugin for gajim ? ✏

Nepptün: there is none

> https://dev.narayana.im/narayana/gajim-otrplugin > here we go: experimental OTR plugin for Gajim, now updated for 1.9. Posted by ann some while ago ✏

OTR does not work for multi-device setups and there are several other protocol-inherent issues with OTR. Gajim had an official plugin, but it has been removed for reasons above

That's bad news

can you tell me where this old oficial plugin of gajim is ?

The reason is that Thunderbird is only suporting OTR

meson, thank you I will take a look

Nepptün, Thunderbird is an extremely bad and unmaintained XMPP client, you should recommend your contact to switch to a better one.

Yes, but sometimes it is more important to bring people to xmpp

and Thunderbird is very popular

and some people think that they could give xmpp a try

Then those people will see XMPP as this old half-broken chat thingy. :)

Same thing for the people using Pidgin for instance.

it is working perfect for the beginning ..

I know you are right

but in the real world it is not working

Spam

normal people are no nerds, and they do not like nerdy things

Thunderbird they have already

and since the latest thunderbird it also supports mam and carbons

so lets make OTR work and get new users

I love to also have a omemo plugin for thunderbird

Spam

or better a pgp plugin

> and since the latest thunderbird it also supports mam and carbons wow, they actually improved something about their xmpp client? I thought it was close to removal due to total neglect since many years. ↺

just use TLS encrypted communications with these people. e2ee is not the hill I would die on with people that can't be bothered to install a better client.

they improved a lot

the xmpp part? I have strong doubts

didn't they go all in on Matrix?

yes the xmpp part

only thing missing is omemo

hmm, maybe I should have another look then. Someone external contributing?

Nepptün, otr is broken, does not work with mam, does only work with online device

if you tell your contacts to use it, they will soon leave xmpp, because the core thing that the thing should provide, chatting, will only work half of the time

someone who uses thunderbird as his chat client, has no threat model that needs e2e encryption, i would argue

> yes the xmpp part Nepptün: do you have a link? ↺

the thunderbird xmpp client has OTR and it is working with MAM, all I need is a OTR plugin for gajim

So the thunderbird client is sending me a a OTR message and I must tell him, please sentd it unencrypted because my gajim client can not encrypt e2ee

I also started to nugg thunderbird people, to implement omemo

but it is complicated

because thunderbird is developed in countries where omemo is unknown

and somebody must break the ice

so I just tested it on Thunderbird 128.0esr, and at least on that version MAM for group chats is still not existing. You are using some development release?

Nepptün, TLS is not "unencrypted"

What have you tested? thunderbird ? I a gajim plugin to work

Thunderbird XMPP client. and it is as bad as I remember

I installed thunderbird and my friend also and we clould chat using OTR ✏

my problem is I want to chat with him using gajim

> Nepptün: do you have a link? looks nothing like being under heavy development: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Amozilla%2Freleases-comm-central+xmpp&type=commits&s=committer-date&o=desc ↺

and? it is still a really bad client and OTR is insecure and abandoned

the last bug fix for XMPP was in Dec 2022, the last minor feature in Oct 2021

you seem to not understand what I say.

> the thunderbird xmpp client has OTR and it is working with MAM, all I need is a OTR plugin for gajim it supports MAM? There's a still open bug report: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1577235 ↺

in my test, it definitly didn't support it just now. Maybe only for 1:1? Didn't test that

The last new feature commit in thunderbirds xmpp implementation has been in 2019. Nepptün this looks like Thunderbird's xmpp development has stalled, which is not news to me.

But I am in need of a OTR Plugin for Gajim. Why is this connected to MAM capabilities of Thunderbird ?

because you said you needed it to communicate with Thunderbrid users

Nepptün: there is only this experimental plugin which has been linked. There won't be an official plugin

Does it work for you ?

I can not add the zip

I haven't tested it

It's not from the gajim developers. No support

you need to talk to the author of that plugin

Hello lovetox, I write in thunderbird

And I can query the mam

Nepptün: why not simply ask your friend to use Gajim?

c, how do you know?

there is also muc history, its a method how mucs sent history before mam existed ✏

only because you see old messages, does not mean you have mam

MAM is when you can access the history bevore you where in the room. I can scroll back

no, MAM is a specific archive spec on the server

muc history exists for 20 years

but lovetox, please confirm me that I cannot have a OTR plugin because Thunderbird is not supporting MAM ? Right ?

c: no, that's wrong. OTR does not work with multiple devices.

im not sure what you are talking about, i never said you cannot use OTR because tb has not MAM

i said OTR does not support MAM

so even if thunderbird has MAM, you cannot decrypt any messages coming from there

OTR is a online, resource based encryption, you can only chat with a single other device, and it needs to be onlne

if you download any otr messages on another device via MAM, you will only get gibberish

You could also say that OTR is not fit for the demands of today

I see , you mus treat every device as a separate user

2 devices are 2 users

c: what?

OTR is not suitable for today's messaging. That's regardless of which client implements it

okay okay .. :)) I google for suitable ;-)

Hi!

I have a massive spam problem in XMPP.

Someone gas given you attention. Be happy :))

I have enable "Ignore unkown contacts", but i still get a dozen spam per day from unknown contacts.

do you control your homeserver?

> Someone gas given you attention. Be happy :)) I am not that lonely! ↺

> do you control your homeserver? No, it is Disroot.org ↺

oh

well there is not very much more you can do then

is the spam coming from MUC dms?

in gajim you can hide unknown contacts and that should fix it

> is the spam coming from MUC dms? I don't known what is a "MUC dm". The spam comes from strangers who add me as contact then send direct messages. ↺

I have already enabled Accounts -> Manage Account -> Privacy -> Ignore Unknown Contacts. A couple minutes ago I have tried to disable it then immediately reenable, attempting to convince XMPP to make it effective. I doubt it will work.

Jorge, there's a plugin in Gajim called `Anti Spam` to block incoming requests and messages from strangers

> Jorge, there's a plugin in Gajim called `Anti Spam` to block incoming requests and messages from strangers I have tried Gajim's Anti Spam plugin. It provided spammers a challenge question, but they are able to answer it. ↺

Either they are doing it manually, or they are using AI.

Jorge, are they uning omemo but are the messages unencrypted ?

In fact, that plugin was still active. I have now disabled it.

> It provided spammers a challenge question, but they are able to answer it. Isn't there also an option to completely deny all incoming requests? ✏

> Jorge, are they uning omemo but are the messages unencrypted ? Most spam is unencripted, bot a few are OTR (which I can't decipher). ↺

there is a plugin for omemo who makes omemo default

this allows any other user to get your online status and fingerprint

I have now reenabled to Anti Spam plugin but provided random gibberish as the anti spam "answer". Let's hope this will work.

The plugin should provide spammers with a question, and they will not guess the answer because I provided random gibberish as the supposedly correct answer.

lööl

The anti-spam "question" is: > Please do not add me as contact. I am under massive spam attack. Contact me first elsewhere.

In "Maximum message length", I have provided "1", which should block spam messages.

https://gultsch.social/@debacle@framapiaf.org/112785664084527075 > Developers of #Dino @dino, #Kaidan @kaidan, #Libervia @Goffi, #Monal @Monal, #Prose @prose, #Renga (#HaikuOS) and even #Debian and #ejabberd met in #Berlin to work on e.g. "#XEP-0394: #MessageMarkup" Cool, looks like XEP-0394 is going to lift off slowly in other clients :) issue #11781

> there is a plugin for omemo who makes omemo default There is no such thing ↺

This module disables access control for all OMEMO PEP nodes (=all nodes in the namespace of eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*), giving everyone access to the OMEMO key material and allowing them to start OMEMO sessions with users on this server.

https://modules.prosody.im/mod_omemo_all_access

Nepptün: server operator can do anything get entropy exists as well

get entropy for len can filter out otr messages

A prosody server plugin. And no, no default