Gajim - 2024-06-25

Hmmm windows upgrades are still not optimial for non-tech-savvy users… My wife reported to me that she clicked "upgrade" in gajim yesterday, but that she ended up with 2 gajims installed at once, and she managed to uninstall the first one.

Most likely one via setup, the other via MS Store?

last time I had access to her computer, I uninstalled every thing gajim related I could find, then installed via ms store

I guess gajim prompted her to update, and that installs "via setup"?

I thought MS Store would be the easiest way to go from now on, but maybe that MS Store thing should just diagf ✏

diagf? I'll check if we can detect that we're running the store version (+not showing the update notice)

die in a grease fire 🤣

> diagf? I'll check if we can detect that we're running the store version (+not showing the update notice) oh yes I guess that would be the way to go ↺

From a UX perspective, MS Store gives windows users what Linux users have for package managers. It's a painless (automatic) updater for all your apps. No bothering with setups. I see it as a big win for Gajim's users on Windows

Sure, but I think not prompting for other install methods when using windows store is the way to go. Maybe just disabling version checking on the ms store publishing script (does that exist?) is the way to go. ✏

I opened https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11881

cal0pteryx, just for curiosity, does microsoft apply some fee/tax or anything like that to you to host your client in their store?

nicoco: yes, thanks

maximus: no

do they have any requirement?

maximus: publishing there comes with the benefit of not needing a signed installer, which means we're not obliged to pay for that for gajim's installer

I don't think so, no

cal0pteryx, for signed installer you mean one of those software setup programs, like nullsoft etc.

sorry I'm not into this kind of stuff

Yes. Windows will almost prevent users (UX-wise) from installing any unsigned setups

And signing costs

unless you make it portable, I guess

This is not necessary for the MS Store though

Extracting zip archives is not what users expect when installing an app ;)

lol, couldn't you just either build it and run it in the same folder, or ship the windows binary and that's it

I don't know much about windows, so probably there's much more than that

what I know is that the windows installer as you said extracts zip files containing the program and its resource, maybe do some proprietary wizardry, update some register entry if needed, crates desktop/start menu links, and that's it?

maximus: that's what a setup does, yes

Installing an app-overrides.json like it is done for flatpak, should be the easiest way to disable the update check

We've got something for portable installs as well. Something on these lines, yes

is there a possibility to show all media within single chat?

ann, not sure if there is, but you could always search for 'http'

yes, but that's without previews etc, and not all http links are files

in Conversations we have smth like this

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/gbG7hH-XGAVjyq9scdxO3oU3/ca1268a8-df99-4f84-bf71-aaf11cdd3fa3.png

very missing feature in Gajim, where to open bounty this feature :d

> is there a possibility to show all media within single chat? IIRC meson once said they want to work on such a "media browser" ↺

Yay, once I find time. But if anyone else wants to rush forward, please go ahead :) ✏

if someone wish to do it for bounty, please pm me

NB! this must be approved in upstream, so if you are not familliar with Gajim internals - please dont

test

> 2024-06-25T12:52:06.395296+00:00 - bodqhrohro: > test oink ↺

Interesting. How do I reliably obtain the message author's nick? In personal chats it's `remote`, in MUCs it's `occupant`.

And `isoformat()` seems to be too verbose, I'd seek a way to make it without milliseconds and with Z instead of +00:00.

> `get_nickname_from_message` Ah, okay.

> meson: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2024-May/043636.html should fix the lost connection with wayland buffer Ichtyx, for KDE Plasma 6.2 there's now a MR: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/5984 > wayland: Bump default max buffer size to 1 MiB ↺

> 1 MiB corresponds to the client not processing the motion events for approximately 30 seconds.

meson: noice but I taugh the new buffer was automaric adjusting

It's funny kde fix everythings but when I talk with the wlroots guys they say I'm dumb and don't understand standards, cause their standards doesn't work 😅 ✏

Sorry off topic

I ran into an interesting bug. If I go the prosody channel, and send a PM to the `HAL` bot (for example `!version gajim.org`), then I press ctrl + up, the draft that appears in the text box is the bot's answer and not my latest message

Note: the same also happens when you address the bot directly, without PMs

The bot uses the same message id as the message it's answering

Quoting a prosody developer: > Still wrong for a client to refer to messages by ID alone, it needs to be (jid, id) > Anyway, when you reply to a stanza, it's a common pattern to keep all the attributes but flip the to and from, that's what HAL is doing when replying to a message. ✏

Sorry for the monologue. I created an issue at python-nbxmpp.

Anyone has had issues with dependencies updating 1.8.4 to 1.91 with flatpak? I had to redo a clean installation.

I didn't have issues but I install from my distribution's repositories, not flatpak

ilac, you are the first that reports it

do you have any error messages?

> do you have any error messages? I didn't save anything but it was obviously an issue with the environment variables, it was trying to look for modules at the wrong place. ↺

weird

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Corrections: Load correct message - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/b365f1e4c235c707af49417c07b49007e632438b