Gajim - 2024-05-31

cannot send reactions if you don't have voice

bummer

> now we have a new bug with the date header ... Looks good now. ↺

Let's wait for what people say after the release

I use the default reaction all the time, actually i use only them

also "looks" is not a strong argument, we are not trying to win a beauty contest here

Maybe the default reactions should be different then the current ones? E.g. I use 🤷‍♀️️, 🥱️, and ☝️more than Gajims defaults. But it depends very much of whom I'm chatting with, of course.

Maybe an advanced config option with the current default?

you react to peoples messages more with a "boring" reaction, then a "thumbs up"? seems a bit negative, im sure your contacts can live without the information that they bore you

im not strictly against a advanced config setting, but we will release Gajim as is, and if the wish persists with more users after a longer time, we will consider it

lovetox, I was kidding with that. But of the current defaults I only use 👍️, the others almost never.

lovetox, it's not *that* important anyway. The important point is to have reactions, which is very good!

I think a config (that makes it possible to use less or none) would be nice

or more even

I've noticed a weird bug where on the first run of gajim after I update my flatpak, the reaction buttons are taller. Then on subsequent runs, they are normal.

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/vMY1Jsf0-MoRyuAz4-29brRb/dad986b8-a3c6-445f-9a45-a9950d28a345.png

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/w6cvUxjHwIkROM3GCbq2bIjt/7bc0e4c3-85c8-42a9-87da-b18e40b570e3.png

it's a minor problem but just wanted to mention it

Btw. I use Gajim master as "daily driver" both at home and at work, and do not encounter major problems.

debacle: that's good to hear :)

I'm using message reactions far too often now. Just because it's new. Then I remember, that 90 % of my contacts are on mobile (Conversations or Monal) and can't see them anyway.

I just installed Monal on my mac lol

Port to mac looks poor

At least I learned it has push notifs so that I can recommend Monal to my ios friends

Good news, weblate should now be able to send emails again

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch python-nbxmpp/master cq: Remove unused c14n.py - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/3f4a7d7ca96787f2b7948398d5efcb6486bb8c19

Hi there, I keep having issues with one particular person. When using Gajim, our mutual messages can not be read on the other person’s device, with the usual “Message not encrypted for this device”. We have each other’s fingerprints, and marked them as fully trusted, but the Last seen status is always “Never”. This happens on his Windows PC, and my Linux PC and MacBook running Linux. Our Snikket mobile apps do not have these problems, i.e. we can read each other’s messages, and the Last seen status for our respective Snikket clients shows the expected date and time. FYI, we both run our own Snikket servers, running the latest release. Gajim on all affected computers is also the latest stable release 1.8.4

hello @everyone is there a way to jump to MUC subject/topic message? like, some button here or a summary with a possibility to click and jump to "subject changed" message

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/mHWP7hsatxKFrYk5irYchbqj/c3783619-7b61-43b6-8caf-372cf6534b4d.png

maybe we need a checkbox in settings to permanently show MUC topic in (or below) the header with the form of link to original message? now topic can be seen only in conference information

ann CTRL + I

shows you the topic

aerion, remove the fingerprint from gajim with click on the shield icon in the fingerprint window

then restart Gajim and try again to send a message to the contact

lovetox, ctrl+i is conference information window

I said about possibility to jump between topics

you said you want to jump to a subject message, i assumed you want to read the subject

CTRL + I lets you read the subject

the button of conference info doing that too

I'm thinking about pinned messages and topic of MUC seems like a pinned message

but there is no way to jump to it

If people is annoying about default reaction emoji maybe just use the latest 3

ann, you are suggesting to add a new button, that does exactly what the current button does in the end, show you the current subject

why would we need to jump somewhere to achieve that

what benefit do you as user have from jumping, versus reading it in the info dialog

the same benefit as from pinned messages in Telegram. when you have large chat with 10000 messages per day, you may want to mark/pin 1 or 2 or 5 messages with *very important* information and instead of reading whole 10000 messages I can read just pinned messages

a button like this

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/Y0wbs9DM8Bgt7TQ6zW9yWcDF/06914563-07b1-4b9f-adcc-97d11263bac4.png

would be very useful

you cannot pin messages, you can define a subject for a room, and you can read that subject by pressing the button ✏

just one minute, I'll try to explain better

we have such window, yes?

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/EXkzJBNSb9cehicG4cJFVZvn/a78ff070-9196-4434-b2c8-6ebfbb303102.png

1) I can't click to <lovetox> author and write him/her a MUC PM message 2) I can't click and scroll to exact date when it was set - if we have this message ID in database, shouln't it be possible to jump to it to read messages around, what was happened when you set a subject etc. I know that subjects is not a pinned messages, but it is very close analog of it.

yeah but it is not, thats the thing, all your functionality makes sense if its indeed a message by a user, which happend in a context

but its not. Its a MUC admin typing a separate message, its in most cases the same person, and the context when he set that subject is in most cases completely irrelevant

but technically subject set is a literally a message

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-subject

its technically very differnt, for example it is not archived as other messages

it does have an ID, does it stored in gajim internal db?

no

kk

no more questions

because we receive it on every join

there is no need to store it in the db

by the way

but i agree with you, if we get pinned messages in XMPP, all your functionality makes definitely sense

how are your relationshipts with MIX? are you planning on it? shall we offer another bounty on it?

currently its not planned to implement, because it has no real benefit for users

its just doing the same thing differently

oh so we might get pinned messages in XMPP?

neat

would custom emojis be an impossible ask

whats a custom emoji

true

> whats a custom emoji Quick searching shows that the FB messenger offers a feat with this technical name: > You can choose a custom emoji for chats on Messenger. The emoji you choose will replace the default thumbs up emoji for all people in the chat. ✏

Sounds less important than stickers. ;)

Hi everyone (and thanks to reopen translatation tool registration), I'm translating missing sentences in french (and make fix) but I don't really understand what is "C_opy"? Is it the word "Copy" with just an underscore?

> aerion, remove the fingerprint from gajim with click on the shield icon in the fingerprint window > > then restart Gajim and try again to send a message to the contact Awesome, that fixed it! Thanks!

Codimp, it means "o" will be a shortcut if you click ALT + Letter

That's what I thought, thanks

if you can make the underscore at the same letter

if thats not possible choose another

yep, in french I set "C_opie"

aerion, lovetox: wouldn't it be good to show this advice whenver a user encounters the "Message not encrypted for this device" warning?

i should implement that gajim does it automatcally

Even better

but this depends on the error

I'm also wondering if in french we should change "état" to "status", because it better match nowadays

because "état" is a very literal translation of "state" and it's not used in IM world

no idea, im not french

did things like "<empty>" and "<error>" need to be translated?

is there a sentence ?

nope, it's just this the entire sentence

not sure why this is in translations

i dont think it will have any effect

ignore it

same, I'll search in code

it seems to be present only in translations, so I think it's not important yes

lovetox, thank you so much! Finally I got the opportunity to register and upload the complete Russian translation. Still doesn't feel real 😊️

slichtzzz: spasiba :)

hello does xep-313 also archive private 1-to-1 conversations or are only MUCs archived?

all conversations

but is there no option to disable this on private chats

yes, but it will have negative consequences if you use multiple devices

as the archive is necessary to sync messages between the devices

Accounts -> Advanced -> Archiving Preferences, set the default to "Never"

also it does not prevent your contact from archiving the messages

if you dont want your messages stored in a readable form its better to use encryption, than to disable the archive

thank you very much

> also it does not prevent your contact from archiving the messages so if contact has it enabled it gets archived to their provider?

correct, its like email

your device -> your server -> contacts server -> contacts device

if you fear someone read your messages, use end 2 end encryption

we have it included click the lock icon select OMEMO

okay thanks a lot, i get it now

Are there any plans to recommence Debian nightly after a four months hiatus due to the latest sqlalchemy not being available. sqlalchemy 2.0.30+ds1-2 in now available in sid.

i will look into making the build work

I'm finishing checking french translations and see a "translator-credits", but some peoples are in it and other not, do I need to add myself in it? Add other peoples who translate in french?

you can add yourself

ok, thanks

hey guys i want to restore my backup from android (monocles chat) to gajim. is it possible?

ic_ Btw. sqlalchemy > 2 has been available in Debian experimental since 2023-06-27, so this was probably not the reason not to build a Debian nightly, right?

savolla Probably not. But if you use the same account(s) as before, you have your roster and your message archive (minus OMEMO encrypted messages)

I was just going by what lovetox said when I asked why the nightly has stopped. I knew sqalchemy was in experimental but I thought nightly was built with sid

yes we build for sid

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: Application: Reactived feature actions after sm resume - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/f17bdee3750aec91e361f455e0da77de0226b6d3

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master ci: Debian: Remove sqlite3 dependency - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/c8c2d6e7c5a15536ca0059db6854a91fce4f7b56

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master ci: Debian: Update nbxmpp patch - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/7f7f49a908a8aa602fb872d82438ab452b2a17db

lovetox pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master ci: Debian: Update build dependencies - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/c40024dd84a4988a17a749c8b8ae7a38d1b20253