Gajim - 2024-05-22

> of course you still want to know when someone wrote you a message in this chat or not? ah, I thought that it will behave as in another messengers - when you have a badge with unread counter, but its like "inactive", like in MUC when you not mentioned.

I still don't know why it stopped working but 'moderated message retraction' is now working for me with ejabberd 24.02

Actually, retracting messages seems to only cause them to be retracted in current gajim but they remain in older gajim

“Retract” and “Moderate” are different. Older Gajim supports Moderated but not Retracted, I guess.

It's not clear to me what the relationship is between the two

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html#revision-history-v0.3.0 ✏

in any case, I would not expect a revision to break compatibility with existing clients

fjklp, the version is meaningles, its just a document version

yes XEPs can bump a namespace used, and this is always a breaking change

but thats what namespaces are for in xml

I fixed yesterday a few problems regarding moderation, thats why it now works with ejabberd

ok, where is this bumpinjg of namespace documented?

> > of course you still want to know when someone wrote you a message in this chat or not? > ah, I thought that it will behave as in another messengers - when you have a badge with unread counter, but its like "inactive", like in MUC when you not mentioned. If a badge is grey or blue indicates if the chat contains messages especially *for you*, its only used with public groupchats, where the badge only becomes blue if you are mentioned ↺

if you want to know if a chat is muted or not, then there is the symbol beside the badge, i dont see a reason to change the color

even if you dont want a notification for a chat, the messages there are still *for you*

> ok, where is this bumpinjg of namespace documented? if the author mentions it in the document history, then there, if not you have to find out by reading and comparing ↺

thanks

is there any reason uploads would not be working in this chat? I can't upload an image.

httprequesterror.uknown:0

you dont upload files to a chat, you upload it to your server

if it did work in the recent days, then i would say something changed maybe on your server

I knew this but somehow it slipped my mind

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/BJKR_ceGro7Rbkh08ehlrxuH/5533187c-6e47-41f5-a2c9-f8986fdea936_25f24d408d19bed6c915b51cddb0026f964d5438.png

Weird. I went and uploaded in a different chat and it worked. Then it worked here....

Anyway. It might be a nitpick but in the above screenshot I feel like it looks a bit wrong for the microphone icon to be where it is. I feel like it would maybe look better for it to be left aligned where the 'Y' is.

Also, this crossed out microhone which is used multiple places makes me think specifically about audio, not text. Maybe we could use a different icon?

I don't know if we have a specific set of icons somewhere that we select from?

For me it aligns with avatars above the icon, so that's better than it being 'off center'. You can check adwaita/feather/lucide for a different icon :)

Icons are difficult. I don't know how recognizable these are but:

ok, copying on lucide.dev doesn't work

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/v1cXg1Jnok3EqnVQVxjdRNrp/keyboard.svg

sigh

looks like I did a file upload here for keyboard.svg but gajim is giving an error of download failed

I'll do links

https://lucide.dev/icons/keyboard https://lucide.dev/icons/keyboard-off

potential replacements for the magaphone and crossed out microphone

the megaphone also feels a bit ambiguous to me

oh, I forgot that I use a gajim.org account, so my upload problems _were_ related to gajim.org

the file box says "File size unknown". Does gajim still fail on that condition?

yes of course

its not "failing"

when we request a file we need to know how big it is

whatever the problem, I've been experiencing gajim not downloading files many times lately where clicking the link will open it in the browser

Keyboard-off: I wouldn't recognize what this is if there was no name attached

i have to say i can not remember when a file was not downloaded, also your keyboard svg downloaded fine even with preview

Maybe it's a misconfigured service at gajim.org's xmpp server

ok, I'm on current nightly and the icon above downloads. On an older nightly deb it does not. I assume that means that it won't download for people on the last release. Why is this?

is archiving also required for replies?

Yes

damn

The RSS feed has items in all languages https://gajim.org/index.xml

Is it intended to be so? ✏

I see english only. Can you point me to a different language?

hello! i've just build gajim from master and during launch see an error > ImportError: cannot import name 'EncryptionData' from 'nbxmpp.structs' (/home/amindomao/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/nbxmpp/structs.py). Did you mean: 'CorrectionData'? what could be its reason ?

fedora 39, pyhton 3.12.2

amindomao: have you also checked out and installed the master version of nbxmpp?

thanks, i've just noticed that i didn't

happy birthday!🎉

Why did gajim decide to move away from one big text view with messages as just formatted text inside it, that you could select across?

Because you can't have fancy things in a textview

What things? Doesn't gtk allow embedding widgets inside text view?

you can have no layout in a textview, its like if you try to do a layout in microsoft word, but without using tables

And seconds, thats not the intendet usecase for a textview, to build complex layouts of widgets in it, meaning if something does not work as you like it, GTK devs tell you, thats not their problem

why other application have cross selection text capabilities, is because they use all some kind of webview, which is basically a browser

thats also something i thought about, there is a webkit gtk project, that may offer a widget that can do both, layout with css and behave otherwise like browser view

but never tried it

lovetox pushed 3 commits to branch gajim/master refactor: ConversationView: Add stanza id row map - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/20f320232d11dcbf3bef23ba18552d7ca40784aa refactor: ConversationView: Remove obsolete methods - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/d99a192c9261563fa26cdf4cab82ae619c6f1fc0 refactor: ConversationView: Make method private - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/3de0d48652e50e3c5bb30775b39278dc9cbdd72b

please don't

lovetox: won't it be relatively easy to implement multiple message selection by clicking in a message widget and dragging over other ones, like in TelegramDesktop? I don't think granularly selecting parts of terminal messages is highly important, and it would definitely be better than the current kludge.

my gut feeling tells me that its not easy to do, it means caputring mouse input, and mapping coordinates to widgets on the screen, all while not fucking with other functionality like normal text selection

but im happy if someone wants to try, we are open for more convenient methods of selecting multiple messages

So GTK+ lacks convenient mouse enter/leave events like web has, huh?

no thats not what im saying, feel free to try if you think its trivial

my interests are in different areas

Hey everyone, yesterday I created and account on dev.gajim.org to fill issues but this morning my account seems to be inexistant, did something wrong happened?

yes its deleted in the night if you dont do something with it

its an anti spam measure

Codimp: sorry for that. but sadly this anti spam measure is necessary

ok, so I will recreate it and fill an issue just after it's creation, thanks

Codimp: thanks!

when you work on Gajim I suppose you use XDG_DATA_HOME and XDG_CONFIG_HOME env variables so your dev instance of Gajim don't touch your daily instance?

you can have this easier, start gajim with the -c switch an point it to some directory

it will store all data there

if you want to run it side by side with your production instance, you need also specify the -p switch this is a profile and will alter the dbus name under which the instance is registered

Nice!

thanks! did the -c argument also impact data stored normaly in .local/share/gajim ?

-c makes gajim store *all* data in that one directory

your home dir is not touched at all

neither for config, cache or local data

cool! thanks, it works like a charm

just beware of the python-nbxmpp dependency

gajim master needs nbxmpp master

but nbxmpp master is incompatbile with released versions of Gajim

so dont install nbxmpp master system wide

except you use the flatpak version as your daily driver, then it doesnt matter, because flatpak is isolated

I can't remove it system wide because my daily Gajim need it

but if I'm in a venv the venv version will be used, right?

yeah so you need to setup a python virtualenv

yes correct

perfect

scripts/dev_env.sh

you can take a look if you want

yep I use it

is it the case that it's not possible to turn off mention notifications for individual chats?

> For me it aligns with avatars above the icon, so that's better than it being 'off center'. You can check adwaita/feather/lucide for a different icon :) It aligns that way for me too, but I see no relationship between avatars and that icon. I see the 'no voice' icon as being more related to the text of the chat and the input field. Also, it aligns weirdly with the icons below. It just feels wrong to me. ↺

fjklp, i think its covered by mute, my first statement was probably a false information

I originally thought that, but I think I tested it and proved that you were right

lovetox, please mention me

ok, looks chat muting prevents a notification bubble and sound, but still results in blue mention count and tray icon change ✏

maybe my resulting assumption that it allowed notifications was based on those things that still happen

yes, and for me thats alright, the only reason i mute something is, because i do something else and dont want to be disturbed, a blue badge at the side of a contact list that shows you that you go a new message, can not disturb you.

right, I think the mention count might make sense, but I'm not so sure about the tray icon changing

we mute individual chats probably because we are downgrading the importance of that specific chat, which means that we still want to be able to be notified of other chats.

normally it just means, this chat is to active and it is enough if i read it once a day

or something

but now our "downgraded" chat prevents us from knowing we have unread messages that we actually want to read

? that would only the case if we wouldnt show the badge

but thats exactly the reason we show it

the point of the tray icon is that it's a persistent visual indicator no matter what app we are focused on

so we don't see badges

i fail to see the problem

thats the core of muting, dont tell me aggresively that there is a new message

instead i will look myself if i open the app again

I would see the mute as meaning "keep track of mentions here but don't tell me about it. Only tell me about mentions I care about", which means the tray icon should only change for unmuted chats.

is the weblate instance working? I try to register but never receive the confirmation email

its working, but the registration is not

so i need to ask someone to activate my account?

no thats also not possible

currently you have no possibility to contribute translations

oh ok :(

wurstsalat pushed 1 commits to branch gajim/master fix: AccountWizard: Fix layout for SecurityWarning heading - https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/15a0daeae91715214e37db1456395b0c3074e0cb

lovetox, it’d be useful to reopen the translations before the release of 1.9.0, otherwise users will be left with sudden English.

Or could we translate the .po files and send you the result?