Gajim - 2024-04-25

Is there a way to auto-set status when the gajim window is closed?

Hi people. Is everything OK? Are there any plans to abandon python?

pedro.ataide, why abandon python?

Because it is slow and a tremendous resource hog. Gajim`s memory footprint is huge, almost unbelievable. We desperately need a good and real programming language.

The same happens with other python applications, by the way.

pedro.ataide: then you should probably go look at some other XMPP client rather than asking a project that has always used python to switch languages. ✏

MarsIronPI: Why do you think so?

pedro.ataide: I feel like doing a complete rewrite in a new language is out of scope for most projects

I feel like making a new project would make more sense

Oh, I see. Thank you so much for your answer. I didn't know switching programming languages could be such a big deal. To be honest I really don't like what is happening to Python programs. Every single program written in python is slow and a resource hog. Last one I tried: firewalld. Oh my... oh my... unbelievable slow and with a huge memory leakage and footprint. And every new Python version is worst than the previous one. Unfortunately, and to be honest, I feel that in a near future almost all Python projects will have no choice: they will need to switch to another programming language. Prove me wrong. Well, nothing better to just wait and see...

pedro.ataide: gajim will not switch away from python

> Oh, I see. Thank you so much for your answer. I didn't know switching programming languages could be such a big deal. To be honest I really don't like what is happening to Python programs. Every single program written in python is slow and a resource hog. Last one I tried: firewalld. Oh my... oh my... unbelievable slow and with a huge memory leakage and footprint. And every new Python version is worst than the previous one. Unfortunately, and to be honest, I feel that in a near future almost all Python projects will have no choice: they will need to switch to another programming language. Prove me wrong. Well, nothing better to just wait and see... if you're having _memory leaks_ with python, you might have a broken installation of python.

python has a lot of issues, but it most certainly has a garbage collector that should ensure you're not leaking stuff

I don't have a broken installation of Python, unless Debian is broken. 😃

Debian patches the shit out of everything, so might as well

very unlikely tho

> Is there a way to auto-set status when the gajim window is closed? Is there some plugin for this

most likely python is just keeping more memory than needed by the program for faster object allocation or smth

> very unlikely tho I'd think that someone would have noticed if a patch caused memory leaks

someone would've noticed their random number generator patch in openssl right

Ugh, fair.

Please show a screenshot of the huge memory footprint

Is there a good guide somewhere on how to setup OpenPGP or PGP? UI won't let me select either option.

john: why not use OMEMO? Is it because you have PGP keys you want to use?

I want to be able to see messages on both my mobile app (Conversations) and Gajim

Unless you can already do that with OMEMO somehow

MarsIronPI:

john, you can, you just need both devices to be connected to the chat

set them both to trusted and you're good to go

i've got 4 devices working fine with OMEMO group chats. 1 windows gajim, 1 linux gajim, 1 macos beagleim and 1 monal

Ah, okay. Thanks 👍

why does my chats say

reject messages from strangers

rukmon: where does it show this?

when i start a conversation and send a message, a yellow triangle appears next to my name and states "messages from strangers are rejected"

ah

I wonder if there was a change in gajim to show this message. Also I don't know how gajim is detecting it. I _think_ it probablty means that the server that the message receiver has an account with is configured to block private messages from people who are not in their contact list. You probably have to send them a contact request first and they must add you.

oh wait

the triangle is next to _your_ name? In that case, go to Accounts>Modify Accounts>your account>Privacy>Ignore Unknown Contacts, and see if that is turned on.