Gajim - 2024-04-24

Hi, I have a question. When joining chat rooms, why do some not allow posting to the chat room?

Is there something wrong with the software?

This is probably because the chat is moderated which means that a moderator needs to make you a member to be able to post comments

look at the top right in gajim to see if there's an icon with a lightbulb when you are viewing that group chat, press it ✏

So this is a feature not a bug. I see.

yes

This makes me think that it might make sense to have some obvious indication like a message in the message input box, such as "You cannot speak until a moderator makes you a member"

or "You must be a member to speak"

Something a bit more explanatory would be nice.

Thanks for clearing that up for me

no problem, the feedback it nice to get

It also seems to be impossible to message a moderator to ask for permission to join the conversation.

I don't know what the expected route to getting permission is but gajim should have a lightbulb icon at the top right that sends a request to moderators. I don't know how many clients will actually display this to moderators and I don't know how often it gets read in practice.

> It also seems to be impossible to message a moderator to ask for permission to join the conversation. try a PM (private message), that should work

Worked for one room but not for the other

> I don't know what the expected route to getting permission is but gajim should have a lightbulb icon at the top right that sends a request to moderators. I don't know how many clients will actually display this to moderators and I don't know how often it gets read in practice. I would have appreciated this

what do you mean?

themachinist: some moderated muc's block pm's… you _may_ need to join and wait until a mod grants voice, or ask an existing participant to request it for you

Looks like all PM's are blocked. It's ok, thank you for the tips.

> > I don't know what the expected route to getting permission is but gajim should have a lightbulb icon at the top right that sends a request to moderators. I don't know how many clients will actually display this to moderators and I don't know how often it gets read in practice. > I would have appreciated this themachinist: What I meant by this is that there *is* an icon at the top right to request membership. Do you see it? ✏

How about move the menu bar items to a "popup menu" opened by right click on the gajim icon on the top left corner? Right click on the workspaces open such menu, so it would be maybe kind of intuitive?

Other remark: it's damn great that messages sent in MUCs now have a pending state. However, when an error is returned, the "clock" icon stays, besides the "error" icon. Is this intended? Are there use cases where we receive an error but expect the message to be eventually delivered? If not, I think that clock icon should go away when we receive an error, it is confusing, the clock implies "in a while, this message will go through". But maybe there are valid cases for that, I'm not sure. ✏

> Other remark: it's damn great that messages sent in MUCs now have a pending state. However, when an error is returned, the "clock" icon stays, besides the "error" icon. Is this intended? Are there use cases where we receive an error but expect the message to be eventually delivered? If not, I think that clock icon should go away when we receive an error, it is confusing, the clock implies "in a while, this message will go through". But maybe there are valid cases for that, I'm not sure. Agreed ↺

> How about move the menu bar items to a "popup menu" opened by right click on the gajim icon on the top left corner? Right click on the workspaces open such menu, so it would be maybe kind of intuitive? No, that's way too hidden. It needs a clearly visible button which provides the menu in compact form ↺

But please don't feel like being tasked to do this :D I'm having a look as soon as I have time

What do you guys think of making it more obvious to the user why they can't speak in moderated group chats? Maybe a message in the text input field?

fjklp: yes, that's a good idea

We had a user confused about this a few hours ago, and I find that understandable ✏

There is an issue about a related situation where there is no connectivity. These should be worked in together

> Maybe a message in the text input field? or a fixed msg at bottom of chats

just let me know if I should make an issue for it

fjklp: also a tooltip that suggests to pm a mod &/or use the new xep method? ✏

yeah, I think it would be good if there were an obvious path for the user get the ability to speak. Not sure what it should be. I really don't know what the current expectations are on this.

If I include a cprofile with a bug report, is it preferrable to include a visualization too or no?

fjklp: fwiw, the request voice method doesn't work in all clients; a pm _usually_ does (unless they are disabled)

fjklp: that might help, yes

Maintainers contradict me if I'm wrong, but as a general rule, opening issues is always helpful. It centralizes discussion around a topic, a acts as a todolist whenever someone wants to contribute.

nicoco: as long as it's not duplicated, yes

> We had a user confused about this a few hours ago, and I find that understandable Thank you for making me feel heard. I appreciate it.

> Рад сообщить: iirc there's some gajim-debug.exe you can run from the cmd https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/7cef7351-e527-4f89-90b5-b06573b1e849

hi @everyone. why the MUC subject does have to appear every time on top (bottom, to be more precise), or it is a bug?

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/qhGAFlWexvJhb_les3DVnlPa/57ca5b7b-1dda-41be-a95d-6ff2a5f1a9ea.png

ann: the subject appears when you join a chat. It's simply an info message, not pinned to any position

yes ik but it does appear after every message in the MUC

```ii gajim 1.8.4-1~bpo12+1 all GTK+-based Jabber client``` maybe it is already fixed, idk.

Iiuc it's supposed to appear when you "join" in protocol terms, which happens for example when your client reconnects, even though you the user never initiated leaving

Xmpp's notion of group chat is just severely outdated or just bad

We have config setting if I remember correctly

how can i find my xmpp adress?

pharaoh, WDYM? In Gajim? From your provider?

ann, you can disable it completely here

https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/Yklcg3yGdso0ycAX/78f425a0-b908-4bb5-a034-3b75d09dacfd.png

in preferences, normally it should only on "first" join in a Gajim session

so if you disconnect a hundred times it should not show again.

basically only if you restart your client

anyone here from arab country?

Is it possible to install plugins manually in flatpak? I dropped this folder https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/-/tree/master/clients_icons into ~/.var/app/org.gajim.Gajim/plugins/client_icons but no luck

hmmm .. should be possible ..

but not sure thats the right folder

there should some "share" folder somewhere

on the apt version it's ~/.local/share/gajim

/home/lovetox/.var/app/org.gajim.Gajim/.local/share/gajim/plugins

try that

nope no luck

maybe hannibal knows

or you try to install one of the plugins that are available on flatpak, and see where it installs them too

for example the files are installed to ~/.local/share/flatpak/runtime/org.gajim.Gajim.Plugin.pgp/x86_64/stable/active/files

sniper-monkey, it might be easier to install it as a flatpak package

https://upload.jabber.cat:5281/upload/s3Lr1BHJz_BpFXL_/gajim-clients_icons.yaml

``` flatpak-builder directory --repo=/tmp/repo --default-branch=stable gajim-clients_icons.yaml flatpak install --user tmp-repo org.gajim.Gajim.Plugin.clients_icons ```

oh wow I didn't know flatpak could do that

btw is there a list of those yamls anywhere?

also only the pgp plugin is on flatpak

The openpgp plugin should be there, too

For gajim nightly, you can find the yaml files in https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/-/tree/master/flatpak?ref_type=heads