Gajim - 2024-03-20

Why for the `MainWindow`s `_on_key_press_event` does it need to call `message_input.grab_focus()`? I can't CTRL+C or CTRL+V on highlighted messages because of it

Zeke: you should be able to in latest master

Ctrl+* should be filtered out

Are you guys interested in a bot assistant powered by GPT for this channel? It would only send text directed at him to the openai servers. I would tweak and/or allow you people to adjust its prompt so it fits better the channel content. It currently is deployed in some mucs. I'm just doing it as hobby project for fun

If such a bot were to join, I would leave

"AI" garbage is already flooding every other avenue people can shove that trash into

And it has yet to bring even a single tiny positive effect anywhere

I genuinely question why your hobby is "make the world a worse place for everyone"

> If such a bot were to join, I would leave tyil: please drink a hot beverage of your choice and calm down. You seem to vent anger at random people / objects I completely understand that it is a controversial topic and that's WHY I AM ASKING people here and not just inviting the bot in. (also this is the polite way) > "AI" garbage is already flooding every other avenue people can shove that trash into > > And it has yet to bring even a single tiny positive effect anywhere OK boomer. Answer for the normal people: the benefits of the LLMs are overhyped. But there are actually use cases where it's okayish. If you teach it properly it can answer simple user questions about a topic. E.g. My XEP-0066 question. It's often better than a search engine if you need to dive in to the topic. You just need to keep in mind that you have to check the information it gives you. > I genuinely question why your hobby is "make the world a worse place for everyone" Please kill yourself

No, if something that has brought nothing but harm to society everywhere with not a single positive thing, I shouldn't just be kind and tell you its a great idea, I should tell you its a bad idea and you should stop it

Its not better than a search engine, and it is unlikely to ever be even remotely close

In fact, "AI" has made pretty much every search engine that adopted it demonstrably worse

If companies pouring billions(!) of dollars into it can't make it work, what makes you think you can "train" (ie: waste vast amounts of energy) it better?

tyil: you are just fearing becoming obsolete because you never developed any skills which can't be done by a machine. Or you are having a psychotic episode. Your fears are completely invalid and missing reality by a long shot. The conversation is over because I don't waste my precious brain capacity on toxic people.

Also big capitalistic companies doing stupid bull shit isn't a new Ai thing

Weren't you the guy telling me to kill myself? How do you turn this into me being the toxic one?

I don't "fear becoming obsolete", other than IT I am a pretty decent cook, and I don't mind getting my hands dirty doing construction work if needs be anyway, which has plenty of money going around as well

I see a new development in IT, and all it does is make IT and society at large noticably worse

Perhaps you should take a step back and take a look at the impact of "AI" and LLMs, and notice that it has brought nothing positive to the world

Search engines are worse, articles online are mostly just generated garbage, kids learn less and less because they can let "AI" do it, and the power usage to "train" these systems is ridiculous

And all you get out of it is something that sounds like it could perhaps be true, but rarely actually is

Oh, and lets not forget the mountains of copyright infringement it runs on

My point on the money spent on it isn't "look at companies doing dumb shit", its "if thousands of people with near infinite resources can't even make it work in the most optimal of scenarios, why do you think you, a single person with vastly more limited resources, can do a better job"

>... kids learn less and less... Now you are just fucking with me 🤣.

Which, if you were to actually spend the time to read the full sentence, is quite literally how I phrased it the first time

> >... kids learn less and less... > Now you are just fucking with me 🤣. Not really, but your reading comprehension so far goes a great length to demonstrate this reality

tyil: you know that complaining about "stupid kids" is documented by ancient Greeks.

Except that IQ levels are quite literally dropping all over the western world

tyil: we should just stop. We are derailing this channel. You made your point. Any more bickering doesn't produce any value.

Also, are you one of those people that can't deal with full sentences, so you just nitpick a single thing that you can emotionally argue against?

Yes, we should indeed stop, but so long as short-sighted idiots like you are telling people to kill themselves for not praising "AI" on every occassion exist, it will continue

Take your own advice for once, grab a drink, take a step back, and evaluate what "AI" is doing to society

tyil: For the Greater Good!

Uhm... okay?

....?

kalkin: have you by now published your bot's code somewhere as promised ages ago? :) ✏

meson: i lost it. I rewrote it from scratch in php and postgresql. 🤣

If you had put directly onto github ... Whatever. Php I'm not gonna touch.

kalkin: thanks for the offer but I'm also not convinced this yields a real benefit.

lovetox: k, thank you for the consideration

Just noticed that if you have a `global menu` in your panel on Plasma 6, gajim doesn't show its menu anymore but it also doesn't appear in the panel. :-/

So, where should I go and complain? Plasma? Gtk? Gajim? ;)

hard to say, but probably not Gajim, all we do is call Gtk set_menubar()

k, I will investigate further

https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/#Gtk-3.0/classes/Application.html#Gtk.Application.set_menubar

here what docs have to say

thanks

but you see the menubar? for example the Help menu?

it's this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424485 and wayland specific

https://share.conversations.im/meeson_/PUFnpvkjUMB03Q07/Screenshot_20240320_182834-1.png

that's all I see

i.e. I don't see any help menu

GDK_BACKEND=x11

seems to be a workaround

Thanks, then gajim runs as an xwayland app though. But at least I got my menu back :)

My gajim indicator in gnome sometimes gets stuck with a notification status, which requires me to restart gajim to reset it. Is this a gajim or indicator problem?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the gnome appindicator extension messing up becase my other icons have problems sometimes

i have this too, it could be definitly gajim, i would be interested if we can find out somekind of pattern when it happens

without any clue or direction, i think it will be hard to find out where it goes wrong

cal0pteryx, wait, so #11765 is not gonna get me "><" fixed at all? :x

Even partly.

Like enforce a space after that ">" or sth

Or just special case it :x

lovetox: does gajim communicate with the indicator through dbus? I can at least do dbus-monitor while getting notifications and compare indicator clearing commands between working and not working indicator state. ✏

no idea, its a library we use

or gtk, depending on what you use wayland or x