Gajim - 2024-02-20

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Hello, I saw that not everythin in gajim is tranlsated into german (the "gruppenchatdetail"), although german ist marked 100% in the translation - area. I could try the translation, but It doesn't seem to work there.

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stefan: I guess you are referring to group chat configuration. This is a form which is provided by the server. Gajim cannot translate that, and it's the server's job to provide the translated form

ah.. I see. thank you.

It looks like Gajim does not ask for translated form. But I like it, English forms never make mistakes.

One of another benefits of 1.3 is that messages of my interest cannot be redacted by moderators from the local history this way. Can be solved with a simple patch in newer versions too though.

bodqhrohro: Moderators moderate as they see fit. If there is a problem, address it directly.

cal0pteryx: intruding into users' devices authoritatively is a problem. One of the reasons we created telegabber (and its predecessor Zhabogram) is because official Telegram clients allow other users, or moderators, or the platform, delete messages from the local database which were already received and saved there. Which wasn't a case for Jabber clients for a while. This resembles DRM and excuses to instill it too much, where Amazon can delete something from a user's device because they moved to another country, Apple can delete the musician's own WAV files from their Mac because iTunes has mistakenly detected some copyright violation there, or whatever.

Did it occur to you that those moderated messages can contain illegal content, which users are glad to have removed from their devices? Just to give another perspective.

cal0pteryx: legality depends on jurisdiction, that's pointless in international chats.

You're suggesting to have no rules at all. That doesn't work

It's not about rules, it's about intrusion in users' devices, as I told.

Rules apply to public space.

hi! Updated gajim to 1.8.4. But it can't join conferences created by me anyway... There are no suspicious things it log I could notice..

bodqhrohro: This is a public space. And to make this place worthwhile, moderators apply rules. Do you remember the last spam wave we had in this room? Many people _asked_ to have content removed from their devices. So far, you are the only one complaining. Please use your own customized client if you have a problem with this behavior.

cal0pteryx: Gajim could warn users about deleting anything from their devices first time and make them consent about that. In another chat, I have encountered a person who has something OCD-like and is very picky about preserving all the chat history. Imagine how upset they would be if they discovered anything was deleted from there without their consent.

bodqhrohro: if I remember correctly we don't delete it

It's just a gui feature at the moment, we will think about this again in the near future

Just so you know moderated messages are also deleted server side in mam

Hm cal0pteryx or do we overwrite the text? I have no access to the code currently

lovetox: hmm, I cannot see last messages in the database at all: http://0x0.st/HnRF.png

Just copied it from the config directory.

Is it flushed periodically?

But yeah, that one is preserved. What's the use of that when there's no separate history manager to view them now? :P

Because we didn't think it yet through to the end I guess

lovetox: we just update additional_data atm

Might be because I only copied the .db file and not shm/wal actually. Sqlite3 is highly robust from my experience, I have never encountered it losing anything.

And I had a gazillion of unsafe shutdowns and disk overflows to claim that. Many other things broke in such conditions, but not Sqlite. Not the case for an unreliable microSD which I boot a Chromebook from: even Sqlite databases get corrupted there sometimes ×D

I had a corrupted file once or twice but only after I restored a backup. My assumption was that's it's not a good idea to have a automatic backup running while the db is open and written to it.

But hard to have a automatic backup running the with a chat client who almost always runs

lovetox et al., a Gajim user mentioned that ejabberd's MUC settings aren't translated. I'm at work and only have an old version (1.3.1), that one sends `xml:lang="en"` despite the locale being `LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8`. Does it still work that way in current versions, and is it meant to be that way? Pretty sure older versions announced the user's locale.

_test_

Interesting, I've got white underscores in 1.3 somehow in cal0pteryx's message, but not it in this one. And not in 1.8. Magic. I did upgrade some system libraries recently, maybe they could affect it.

In 1.8 I get the parentheses white in the input box when I have just typed the closing one.

http://0x0.st/Hn7B.png

That's an artifact of it being a GtkSourceView now

Hmm, so it's relevant for HtmlTextView too?

Hehe, other bracket types are highlighted like that too.

Why would you even call it an "artifact", it's wonderful!

I’m getting a weird bug lately: Gajim sometimes (when I (un)lock the desktop?) freezes, but in a weird way. The chat and workplace parts are frozen and the bottom part glitched out, but the menu bar works fine.

I’m using KDE Plasma on X11 if that makes any difference.

hook, that happens to me while playing supertux kart

I'm using le gnome on x11

affrip, so it’s a more common thing then? 🤔

hook, I think so

the only time i didn't have this problem I had uninstalled all desktop and using only I3 manager

all desktops have some sort of issues

affrip, I’m trying to find a fitting bug here, but can’t. Are you more successful? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/

BTW, the glitch which caused visual artifacts in Compiz (presumably in MESA, as its developer suggested) is gone after some update. I did not even notice when. So sad, it looked nice (I could not fix it directly, so I made a kludge which I enabled temporary).

> affrip, I’m trying to find a fitting bug here, but can’t. Are you more successful? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/ i don't think anyone posted about it

https://upload.jabber.sk/upn1/eeec39574c96c103797d8ae340c5eb05db45826d/RG1YonBflXkZCPMplSAUAsWKXT8ID8NRMZELxwoF/Screenshot_from_2024-02-20_05-37-35.png

there's one about it freezing windows 10 years ago

dmamn this is old

bodqhrohro, how do you manage to work on a single project for 10 years I can't even look at the same thing for 2 days

wrong ping

lovetox,

affrip: ADHD can be cured, ask for professional help.

I don' wanna take meds what if it explodes my heart its scary

even without addreall I already have anxiety sometimes and my heart goes blip blop I think if I take one that will be the moment I have heart attack

affrip, will you open a new bug report or should I?

> hook wrote: > affrip, will you open a new bug report or should I? Always take matters in your own hands.

> > hook wrote: > > affrip, will you open a new bug report or should I? > Always take matters in your own hands. Cool, will do. I’ll post the link here afterwards, so affrip can add his comments in the same one.

hook, it happens very rarely for me and I'm too lazy to make a github account (they keep deleting mine for using a VPN lmao)

affrip, it’s Gajim’s own GitLab server, but I see your point.

How about you just summarise how you replicate to me and I’ll add it to the bug report for you?

affrip, also, can you provide me with your versions of the following? (you can find it in _Help ↦ About_): >

> - Gajim version: > - GTK version: > - Python-nbxmpp version:

hook, Gajim: 1.8.1, GTK: 3.24.38, Python-nbxmpp: 4.3.2, I don't know how to trigger it it happens randomly, it seems to happen more often when I unlock the screen and have burpsuite open for some reason. It's not oom or anything I have 32gb of ram

Sounds very similar to how I get it. Haven’t figured out how to trigger it yet either.

Did you try if Wayland helps?

No it might help but it breaks everything that isn't gajim so it's not worth haha

Hehe

(in all honesty, it got _much_ better)

with wayland?

affrip, this looks good? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11766

> with wayland? Yup.

hook, yes

wayland breaks many apps I use for example peek which is for creating gifs from screen, jitsi conference no longer works on firefox, any app that uses screen captures pretty much

affrip: https://gist.github.com/bodqhrohro/d71900f9d00f2acd5933abe8998bdfde

And GIF is an outdated format generally.

Screencapture to GIF sounds like a pain in general.

yes Holger seems we lost this functionality at some point

hook, affrip: I don't think this is something Gajim can control, but rather an issue with GTK and your desktop envs. Your two are the first ones to report this

*You two. And maybe additionally with your hardware combo

cal0pteryx, when I switched to Dino for a bit, it did not do that (maybe I didn’t run it long enough to encounter it, I can try that)

hook: both use different versions of Gtk though, which makes a difference

Gajim is 3 where Dino is 4

Many thing changed in Gtk's rendering backend, which makes it uncomparable in that regard

> hook: both use different versions of Gtk though, which makes a difference > > Gajim is 3 where Dino is 4 Aaah, that makes sense

lovetox: I see, thx.

i opened a issue about it, should be coming back soon

Thx++ :-)

affrip, GNOME already has a screen recording tool built-in, when you press PrintScreen you can select whether you want to take an image or a video capture, of a selection, a window, or a screen.

Oh interesting, it disables the window choise when I want to take a video.

And for other programs to use screen capture, they have to use pipewire for that, same on any other compositor.

Firefox works fine here, including with Jitsi Meet.