Gajim - 2024-02-18

Is it possible to make the command result displayed as an error, like with missing node errors and so? If I return `status="canceled"`, it's just displayed as a usual window, just with no "Commands" button below. Not indicating it was an error anyhow.

Ah, there are note types for that, okay.

Meh, but it's not taken into account.

http://0x0.st/HnWx.png

Running Debian nightly this morning emojis are now black and white

Hilariously, Psi+ doesn't indicate note types anyhow too. Cheogram does.

bodqhrohro, it has nothing to do with note or not

its a action the requestor executes

there is no information that comes to mind that the server can send me that im interested in

lovetox: how? What is the type for then?

what type?

lovetox: `<note type="error">`, I have shown it on the screenshot.

the problem here is that you execute an action where the client is not interested in notes

as a client i send you the cancel action

The note itself is displayed.

you can return something, but im not interested

thats a completion note

what you show on your screenshot

as i said it depends on the action executed

lovetox: yup, and I'd like to highlight more evidently if the action was executed successfully or not.

thats not correct in my opinion

lovetox: what would be correct then?

status=cancelled is not something you can send because you want to communicate a command was not executed

read the spec, cancelled is a response on a user action "cancel"

if you want to convey that a command execution did not work, you need to return an error

lovetox: it's "completed" there.

look, you started your question with > If I return `status="canceled"

you return this *only* if the user send action=cancel

was this the case?

You didn't read the next message, right? :P

i did, its a screenshot

it does not answer any of my questions

> Ah, there are note types for that, okay.

note is irrelevant

in a cancel flow

Irrelevant to what?

There's a nice icon in Cheogram: https://img.izy.cloud/3vn3gmv8d1.png

Well, whatever, I'd better bring a patch instead of trying to pass through lovetox's toughness :P

yeah that will surley work, you are not able to make yourself understandable in chat, but surley once you write it into a MR description it will make sense ✏

lovetox: I have no idea really what you don't understand if you have seen the screenshot; there's `status="completed"` and `<note type="error">`, and no indication for that in the popup window. But you're arguing infinitely about `status="canceled"` somehow just because I mentioned it in my first message and soon forfeited, like that's still anyhow relevant.

yeah thats really a suprise, people read what you write and take it into account

Yeah. 1. +0.3 BTC. 2. -0.2998 BTC. 3. +0.1 BTC. > > What happened to my 0.1 BTC? > 0.1 BTC are irrelevant. You have put 0.3 BTC and then have withdrawn -0.2998 BTC. The rest 0.0002 BTC are eaten by commission. The wallet is empty now, there's no reason to display anything anymore. WTF???

ok you compare human communication to some kind of bank statement

Yeah, I expect engineers to think in a more concrete and ~~autistic~~ logical way than human communications usually happen.

yeah other people are at fault if they dont understand you, thats a good mentality, lets see how far this gets you when you need something from them.

To need something from others I need to have ambitions, but I don't. So I just keep living on my parent's guidances until I run into some conflict with my principles and make a seppuku.

Literally, every time I argue with lovetox or see others arguing with lovetox, it reminds me this: https://youtu.be/i_9ZaF6ePK4?t=3081

hey there, do I misremember things or was there a branch of gajim that, at some point, was showing a separator to distinguish read from unread messages?

rom1dep: I have such a separator in 1.3.

1.8 here :)

rom1dep: read from unread? You mean "x has read up until this point"?

cal0pteryx, I mean, when opening a window that has unread messages, a visual indication as to which ones are new vs old

I have a branch where gajim jumps to the point where you left off last time

sounds awesome :)

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/merge_requests/960 rom1dep this one

bodqhrohro: keep this a constructive discussion, otherwise you're out. Jumping other people is a no-go.

> 10. (transitive) To attack suddenly and violently. TIL

I could even merge that, let try it :)

Heh, there sould be an animated line even

bodqhrohro: just so you know: next time there will be no warning. Considering your past behaviour, this was your last warning.

rom1dep: this MR will only be considered after the database rewrite though, since it adds functionality on top of the old one

I see. It seems to not know about unread counters (which were preserved across restarts since recent versions) so I've got to wait for some buffers to fill-up to test :)

how far in the future is this database rewrite planned for?

rom1dep: can't say :)

I suppose it is meant to better support things like reactions and citations?

yes, basically we stuffed everything into one table right now

but as xmpp progressed with more and more features, this does not really work anymore

we already have most of it, but i decided we want to use sqlalchemy going forward, so i have to refactor with that lib

Apologies for posting again but I think my message may have got swamped in the middle of a heated discussion. I am using Debian nightly and from this morning emojis are now in black and white. Past messages either show the emoji but in B&W and others a square box with symbols , I assume a placeholder. I also used emojis for my workspace ID and have had to change those also. There were no Debian apps in todays upgrade that I think may have caused this just the Gajim nightly all was working fine yesterday.

ic_, you need https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/fonts-noto-color-emoji

You mean downgrade from the installed fonts-noto-color-emoji 2.042-1

ic_, not sure, its a packaging or configuration issue on debian

GTK uses a font that is installed, Gajim does not add anything to it

this is the changelog * New upstream release (LP: #2045043) - This major update introduces support for the Unicode 15.1 standard https://blog.emojipedia.org/googles-emoji-15-1-support-in-noto-color-emoji/ * Bump Standards-Version to 4.6.2

Sorry that was the last changelog from Nov 23 so I don't thing it was that

Gajim's search has proven useful multiple times already, especially the scroll-to-message feature to get context, thanks :)

pep., good to hear, usually people are not satisfied with Gajim search :D

bodqhrohro, was you screenshot just test data, because it contains no real note for the user what went wrong, i question also the usefullness of adding a wall of text with /commands

lovetox: yup, I just changed the type temporarily for testing before implementing the type distinction for command results actually.

Hi, I have quick question about client on windows, does it have auto updater? Because a notification about an update randomly disappeared

raizenxd: no it doesn't. To get auto updates, you'd have to install via MS store or Chocolatey

k thx for info

There is an update check, but you have to update yourself if you don't use solutions mentioned above :)

hell yeah

I'm happy to see the chat title highlight and undo stuff fixed

well, it still behaves unlike other editors

I think

fjklp, undo behavior is not handled by GTK itself. complain there :)

*now GtkSource handles undo now

I hope Gajim can support XEP-0012 in the future.

☭Mike Yellow, support has been removed

Whaaat!?

Why?

ah sorry, wrong XEP

Maybe you thought about XEP-0016. And yes, we do need XEP-0016, for political activities.

☭Mike Yellow, Gajim supports it already

Where to check last activity of my contact?

ah yes, I thought you meant 0016, which has been removed four years ago

There are reasons that we are still using Psi(＋): It does not stuck facing heavy spam. (Dino neither, though.) It supports XEP-0016. It supports XEP-0012 (Last Activity). It can see Occupants' client name through MUC, which helps for guiding new users.

Nothing more than these.

Ah, strange, Gajim 1.0 removed Last Activity, but there are some code remains

……

Last Activity for what?

We support Last Activity to get the uptime of a server

for users we have idle time

Many Chinese are naughty and cowards, many of them gave up their XMPP ID and changed to a new one.

I need XEP-0012 to see if they really gave up their XMPP account.

Another example, they registered Prosody server, and get spammed endlessly by some enemies. Prosody has no XEP-0016 so they have to give up their account and turn to Ejabberd.

but this is not really necessary, because what you want is simply "when was this user last online"

and i think your client could simply track that yourself

but yeah .. idle time is no strict replacement ..

> and i think your client could simply track that yourself How? Through Last Seen of OMEMO fingerprints?

no i simply mean the client could simply record whenever it receives a presence

and therefor knows the last time the presence was received

its not 100% because sometimes you are offline yourself, and cannot receive anything

but i guess close enough?

> its not 100% because sometimes you are offline yourself, and cannot receive anything Yes.

but yeah sending an activity request is also not hard

if you dont need this everyday

in Gajim you can simply paste the xml to the console

and send the request "manually"

Well. Nevermind. Now using Psi(＋) is a better choice. Sorry for bothering.

> *now > GtkSource handles undo now got it

at the least, we have much better functionality on undo/redo. We can return to an empty state and we can recover text deleted by Ctrl+U, and we can redo.

fjklp: yes, I'm glad it's better now :)