Gajim - 2024-02-04

Hi guys I have an issue with OMEMO I imported everything from my backup and used this guide https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/wikis/help/Backup now my keys are messed up and I keep seeing "This message was encrypted with OMEMO, but not for your device." and "This message was encrypted with OMEMO and could not be decrypted."

How do I fix this ?

How do i install latest gajim on fedora ?

Flatpak shows a version 1.7.4

Fedora package is 1.7.4 too

Kevino: switch to/add flathub repo to get latest version

flexx, seems you installed a old backup

you need to go to the fingerprint dialog of every contact where you see that issue, and click delete on all fingerprints

this resets the session with the different devices of your contact

Hi gajim settings are complaining that I don't have dependecies like gsound and gspell installed even though they are installed. i'm running on an arch system if that helps

crumpet : Does `pacman -Qi gajim` also show that these dependencies are installed?

stragely no?

even though pacman -Q gsound says it's installed

should I upload the output of pacman -Qi to a paste?

crumpet, do you have gajim installed as an arch package?

yes

hmm, reading the code gspell needs at least one spell checking dictionary available -- do you have those, e. g. aspell-en?

i did not

gsound initialization should write something to the log -- for that, try running gajim from a terminal

nothing about gsound popped up on the terminal when it launched

but the settings still complain?

yeah

https://macaw.me:5443/upload/0fe30aae57b99ddeee16c8ea4ea01fb1172a3fa6/Sye7HRRjO4NbNeuT2CGw9cat12Vewg6gQgSuMe64/16be71c7-6870-43d2-b655-a7bd996be9a5.png

hmm try starting python in terminal and see if this code works: import gi gi.require_version('GSound', '1.0') from gi.repository import GSound GSound.Context().init() ✏

the last line should return True (i. e. you should see it in REPL after typing that line and pressing Enter)

the second line returned > ValueError: Namespace GSound not available

try reinstalling gsound

other than that, don't know, something must be broken in your installation with regards to gobject-introspection and/or gsound and/or their dependencies

lovetox: Can I decrypt messages that show up encrypted because now everything past 20 days look encrypted

crumpet: ensure also that you have these packages installed: `gobject-introspection gobject-introspection-runtime libgirepository` ✏

+ check that this file is present: `/usr/share/gir-1.0/GSound-1.0.gir`

flexx, so how old was this backup?

everything between the date of the backup and the moment you used it, is lost

lovetox: like a month?

Damnn

I also dont see the omemo plugin in the pluginlist

Which leads me to think that I dont have the packages installed for it to work

Im on arch linux what packages do I install

https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/gajim/ ✏

with 1.8.x you dont need any plugins

> Kevino: switch to/add flathub repo to get latest version https://bosh.zp1.net:5281/upload/_3P3_eTHIqbcPuIzAREhTyYw/zb2rhhRsYGnF2XGZptGG2pgVxRuaRaYn768nkAzJAFgyU7kAK.jpg ↺

Its already enabled

Oh , i think it shows up the option now in gajim page to change the software repository

Thanks 👍

I think i need to remove fedora version first though

> + check that this file is present: `/usr/share/gir-1.0/GSound-1.0.gir` It seems to not be there how would I replace it?

lovetox: I cleared all devices on the fingerprint lisr

Still not working

intelfx, after a bit of reinstalling packages it works! thank you for the help!

np

what was the issue?

flexx, what do you mean by not working exactly

> what was the issue? I needed the hunspell dictionary + gsound was not installed apparently

lovetox: Im still getting that omemo not encrypted message

as said past message between your backup and now are lost

or are you talking about new messages?

New messages

you need to write a message from Gajim

My fingerprint shows as inactive too

To other users

Yes I know i do it from gajim

and? it arrives and is decryptable on the other device?

Yes

and what is your other device?

A phone

Android

maybe restart the application there

seems like a problem on that device

restarted still not working

no idea, write a contact of yours

and test it with them

could be a problem on your phone

you can take a look under View -> XML Console -> Log ✏

if there are any errors printed

I sent you an OMEMO encrypted message but your client doesn’t seem to support that. Find more information on https://conversations.im/omemo

How do I reinstall the omemo plugin?

flexx, you can't do that since 1.8.x no plugin for OMEMO it's integrated

Anyway to reset it than?

first it's better to check the log in xml console there might be some hints about the issue there, but to answer your question about the reset I think the only way to regenerate a new key in Gajim is by deleting the account there and sign in fresh ? I remember someone talking about this here before

not tried not tested by me so do it at your own risk

There isnt like a button where you can regenerate a key??

I relogged in

I think it works because I sent a message from my phone and read it on gajim it wouldn't work but now it does work I have to wait till some people come online and try it out

nevermind

its glitched out again

you can check the omemo key fingerprint if its changed then the readding of the account did it

I'd try resetting the OMEMO session. In the dialog where you verify a contact's keys you can also delete them (save the fingerprints first, so you can easily verify them again after!). You might need to restart Gajim after, sessions getting out of sync hasn't happened to me in a while. But then when you next try to send a message it should fetch the contact's keys again (here you need the saved fingerprints to verify) and set up a fresh OMEMO session.

Im also getting this error ``` Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/gajim/common/dbus/logind.py", line 139, in _on_logind_appeared self._obtain_delay_inhibitor(connection) File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/gajim/common/dbus/logind.py", line 111, in _obtain_delay_inhibitor self._inhibit_fd = ret_fdlist.get(ret.unpack()[0]) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get' ```

> There isnt like a button where you can regenerate a key?? Delete the keys from omemo folder of gajim , it should create new one theb ↺

Then*

I removed the omemo keys in the gajim folder for my account and it seems like its working

Thank you guys

flexx, do you see still that error in the log dialog?

as in, everytime you start Gajim new

I'd really like to disambiguate the labels in the group chat details so that they are explicit about configuring the client versus configuring the room

any ideas?

I know we don't want to confuse people or overly complicate things but I think it's a bit confusing as it is and I'd like to fix that

For example, 'Settings' could be 'Client Settings'

'Configuration' should probably be 'Room Configuration', or whatever canonical term is recommended for room

The main point here is that I think it should be obvious to the user whether a group of settings pertains to their client or to the server

Is 'client' too esoteric for an average user? We could make it 'Gajim Settings'.

i think its enough to prefix it with Room

this is almost the only place where you can change something that is not local to your client

> flexx, do you see still that error in the log dialog? yes

We don't have 'room' anywhere though, and I unified all of these different terms once used in Gajim to 'group chat' or 'chat'

> as in, everytime you start Gajim new yes

And then again, why do we need to differentiate?

Differentiate what?

Between server and client settings

For me at least, I like to have a mental context of knowing what I'm dealing with. I like to be able to look at the labels and know what to expect in that section. It feels bad when you have to click on stuff to find out.

it feels sloppy

For illustration, imagine if the labels were simply letters like A, B, C, D. You would have to click on them to know what's there, and I suspect that most people would agree that that is a very bad solution. This is half way to being like that.

I think the goal of good UI is that a user never have to click and find out, but rather understands what to expect by UI elements.

Maybe not always achievable, but a good goal.

i can imagine that there are users at least wondering what the difference is between settings and configuration in the same dialog

Group Chat Configuration is for my taste to long

We could try "Admin Settings"

then it would be clear that it has to do something with the role the user has

and because of that its unlikely that they think it is something local to their client

I'm curious why group chat was favored over room. Room is a concept that is both common to almost all humans and has a history established in instant messaging. Seems kind of ideal.

Maybe group chat seems somehow less ambiguous, more direct. ✏

> i can imagine that there are users at least wondering what the difference is between settings and configuration in the same dialog I do this every time I open the group chat details window, so I imagine it's very common.

https://docs.modernxmpp.org/terminology/

understood

>To reduce user confusion when switching between clients, it is good to use only recommended terms. I strongly agree with this idea

but I guess I do have mixed feelings sometimes

like, who gets to decide? and what if we settle on something that's not optimal and want to change it later. It's a bit messy.

fjklp: there has been plenty of discussion and this was the outcome

fjklp, Group Chat is in my opinion much clearer then Room

group chat is less abstract, so I can see that

though we also have the "Manage" tab

which also has group chat configuration options

the idea was to place the most important ones there

the Configuration Tab is actually for expert users only

because it displays the raw form the server sends

Is there no way to set image perviews per each group chat?

no

why would you enable this in a public chat?

some chats will be more likely to have spam. Different chats will have different relevance to me.

i would find it better if there would be a button to make a preview of a link

like with GIFs a play button for example

wait, we do have that and I didn't notice

the download button

not for links but for images

the problem we have here with xmpp is, that on major social networks, previews are serverd by the server, not the actual server where the link or file is

what is the term for file uploads? do we call it an http upload?

file sharing?

it sucks not even being able to talk about something for lack of a common language

Communication is hard?

Clear communication is hard, yes.

I'm not sure if that was a rhetorical question

It's not always easy to carry the intended meaning through written messages, is what I wanted to say ;)

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