Gajim - 2024-01-21

hey,devs, i have a suggestion to increase privacy by default, and that would be to turn OMEMO on by default

and that when users tries to disable it, that he get a very clear warning

no

So it means per Default all servers can read all my private messages?

Please learn about how xmpp works first

topgun, no, only the server you chosen and the server of your contact

that is, if you *dont* enable omemo

levalian, I am learning by making questions

lovetox, thats what I mean. People come from whatsapp to xmpp because of better privacy, but by default they will chose a public server, and the public server will have access to all of their conversation, which is worst than whatsapp

why do you think that? i would give my chat history to one server operator any day than to whatsapp

if they care they can enable the encryption, there is even a preference option to enable it by default for most conversations

we are not against enabling it by default in general, but we are not whatsapp, encryption can prevent users from communicating in some circumstances

and we dont have the resource like whatsapp to make it work in 100% of all situations

topgun, There is an advanced XMPP user manual... in Chinese, if you would like to read by machine translation: https://shzyly.rf.gd/文档/离线文档/《社会主义XMPP高级用户使用说明书》/目录索引-H.html

lovetox, so what you are saying is that the cost of making it work in 100% for all situations would be too high that would jeopardize the project?

conversations.im has omemo by defaut, dont see why gajim cant have it

Because it's more than simply flipping a switch. Error handling is important

well, you can flip the switch on by default, and when theres an error you can ask the user if he wants to unflip the switch

topgun, sure. sombody's got to do that though

there is a setting in Gajim's ACE, where you can enable it by default

it's experimental

yes, I enabled it

But i think te default for my fresh install was off

in gajim

yes, as I said, there is no error handling yet

Im reading a little about the OMEMO difficulties

FOr instance, wen gajim talk to conversaions, it seems that somehow the gajim keys expires after one day:

https://codeberg.org/iNPUTmice/Conversations/issues/161

topgun, that's a Conversations issue though?

Im not sure. Someone there said coversations waits for 42 days before setting keys as old

maybe the issue lies in gajim, or in a server, or in the overall system. People didnt find it out yet

without logs, this is nothing but speculation

the issue is new, so it might take some days for people put logs and find the root cause

wow, is gajim made in python?

it doesnt feel slow and amateur at all!!

whats the UI lib you are using?

GTK

cool

sometimes i sent a message and it doesnt appear as if the user received it

but afterwards i repeat the message, and then it goes double

sounds like the chat does not scroll to the end sometime

and you simply dont see the message

try switch chat, and see if the message shows up afterwards

i do it

i even moved it from workspace

it doesnt happen

i opened the chat in dino

there i can see that even the message was not sent

and then i wrote sometjing from dino, and i see that it went thru the chat

but opening in gajim and i dont see it

sometimes messages get held up and go through with a delay

actually, it happens to me often

who knows if it's your connection to your server, your server, or the muc server

that's one of the downsides of xmpp

decentralized so you multiple the probability of problems, and much of it is either run on vps servers with bad performance or not carefully tuned by admins so performance suffers

i see

so i have two clients open

when gajim doesnt send the msg then i switch to dino

gather a debug log

this is not normal, could be spam protection by the server

i assume you talk about a groupchat

yes, its a gruop chat

how can i get the debug log?

topgun: preferences > advanced > debug logging (don't forget to restart)

ok

it created a file named ~/.local/share/gajim/debug/debug-enabled

but its empty

it's supposed to be empty, it's not a log file

so how can i debug?

check the debug log

is there a file in that directory that ends in debug.log?

no

just that empty fl

topgun: did you restart gajim?

yes

huh, I've never heard of it not working

I can only guess that you didn't restart it

sorry i actually didnt reset

now it works