Gajim - 2024-01-20

I wonder if implementing something like Discord Rich Presence would be possible in XMPP, especially in Gajim

I know User Tune exists already, will Gajim make efforts to support it? ✏

Tom: gajim already supports user tune

for contacts, at least

Sweet

Tom: spyware

Crapware

Spam

Spam

Tom, Gajim used to support "XEP-0107: User Mood" and "XEP-0108: User Activity", but AFAIK the features have been removed. "XEP-0118: User Tune" is still there. Too bad, that none of that is usable in public/anonymous MUCs.

debacle, that’s not quite true, with XEP-0316 you can totally do that in MUCs.

Link Mauve I'll check that out, thanks!

Link Mauve Is MEP implemented somewhere?

In a Prosody module at least.

MattJ had an experimental branch of Gajim for it some decade ago.

I would love to have a MUC for music lovers, where I can see who is listening to which music at the moment, but only share my "user tune" in that specific MUC, not elsewhere...

Link Mauve Too bad, that this code is Python 2 and GTK 2 for sure ;-)

That’s completely possible with MEP, and the intended usecase.

Indeed. :D

> I would love to have a MUC for music lovers, where I can see who is listening to which music at the moment, but only share my "user tune" in that specific MUC, not elsewhere... Omg please ↺

I mean, if and when people make their way over to XMPP from other platforms, they're going to expect these features

sorry is this not just a chat where you post youtube links

or how does that look? a client post a text "Artist - Title" and i have to copy paste it into youtube?

i fail to see the usefulness of a chat where multiple clients just post all the time what you currently listen to

after an hour i look at the chat i see 200 lines of text, every line is one Artist - Track title

and then what? i copy randomly some that look interesting into youtube or spotify to listen to them?

Lmao no, it really shouldn't be that complicated to just share your User Tune or Activity with a MUC

As a status

sounds even more complicated, so i look through all the status of people and copy from there the tune, and paste it into youtube?

you drescibed this as a music sharing feature, so i guess you want to hear the stuff that is shared

comparing to youtube channel subscription, if someone uploads something, i get a notification and click on it, and can listen to it

on facebook i scroll through a group feed and see embeded youtube music videos, just need to hit play

groups / channel subscriptions are all trageted at certain music style i like, i can influence what is shared with me

> i fail to see the usefulness of a chat where multiple clients just post all the time what you currently listen to same here, but this is not due to XMPP limitations. Perhaps you want rather a radio stream with a chat, where you can interact with the radiostream?

debacle, an easy and stable solution is to create another user like debacle_music, who logs in to the specific MUC and use the available plugins which set the status.

Lovetox XEP-0118 defines a URI element. I guess, that could be a streaming or download link.

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0118.html

Here is a screenshot of a very old Gajim with user tune in MUC: https://blog.prosody.im/multi-user-chat-gets-rich/

> Here is a screenshot of a very old Gajim with user tune in MUC: > https://blog.prosody.im/multi-user-chat-gets-rich/ The times are sure a changin' ↺

I want something like that, yeah

Very old Gajim? Did it get removed or something?

Or do I just run Rythmnbox and it will work?

In my Gajim there is a Plugin "Now Listen" but I have never tried it

Oooo where do I download that? :>

debacle: I know how we display it. I'm interested how this is useful. What is your workflow here. You see a user with a music icon and the you copy the tune and search for it?

lovetox It depends. If the URI element is used and shown, I can just click on it and hope it is a streaming or download link. However, in a more specialized MUC, people might even know the music (song, track) and the information who is listening what might be interesting even without tuning in.

Tom AFAIK, it was a patch by MattJ that never made it into Gajim master.

So I need to use the plugin?

No

> Tom AFAIK, it was a patch by MattJ that never made it into Gajim master. Well it really should, it's a good feature to have ↺

Hell, I'll even code it myself and make a PR if I have to

Hi, Im using Gajim in Linux and it says it has no audio becuase I dont have gstreamer, but its indeed installed. Im using Manjaro. Do anybody have a tip for me?

I complaings about: Requires: farstream-0.2, gstreamer-1.0, gst-plugins-base-1.0, gst-plugins-ugly-1.0, gst-libav and gstreamer-gtk3-plugin

but they are all installed

ok, my gstreamer is 1.2, but gajim needs 1.0.. Is this a showstopper?

Did you install Gajim through Manjaro's package manager?

Quinn Stambaugh, Yes

With pacman -Sy gajim

Is this a bad thing that I installed it thru the package manager?

> With pacman -Sy gajim Hmm, looks like they're marked as optional dependencies: https://software.manjaro.org/package/gajim I think you can have pacman install optional packages with `-tt`, if I remember correctly ↺

hmm I dont find the tt option

but anyway they seem all to be installed

When I install via sudo pacman -Sy gajim,all of that appear as installed at the end

topgun: Someone in the Manjaro support channel might be able to help: xmpp:%23manjaro%25irc.libera.chat@irc.cheogram.com?join ✏

thank you

wow, what was that link

a bridge to irc?

Yeah, Sopranica hosts public bridges. That links through their public Biboumi instance

They do a lot of awesome stuff that's XMPP related

If you're curious: https://cheogram.com/

which clients do you recommend for linux and for android?

On Linux, I either use Gajim (for my desktops and laptops) and Dino (on my Linux phone). I don't use Android anymore, since I use a Linux phone, but my partner does and he uses Cheogram. Pretty much Conversations or any fork of it on Android is solid

i wanted a linux phone before, but i was not sure if it would run whatspp and those everyday aps

so i bought a google pixel and put graphene os on it

do you recommend a linux phone?

That's what my partner is running

which linux phone are you using?

I don't recommend a Linux phone unless you're willing to give up a lot of conveniences. I'm running a Pinephone 1.2b with 3GB of RAM. I like it better than my old modded PSP that I used to use as a smartphone, but it's definitely a massive step back from the Pixel 3a I used to use

does whatsapp run there?

No. You could probably get the webapp working fine, but you'd still need an Android phone to act as the primary client. Luckily, I don't need WhatsApp. I have everything through XMPP, thanks to Slidge, Biboumi, and jmp.chat

hmm

I saw this chegram webpage

but I didnt understand the use case

"connect all open communication networks together, allowing you to reach all your contacts from a single app."

does it mean I can have whatsapp, telegram and mumble from it?

I'm not sure about Mumble, but I have my phone number through jmp.chat for SMS/PSTN through XMPP. I also have Signal, Telegram, Discord, Matrix, Facebook, and Mattermost XMPP transports thanks to Slidge. Slidge also supports WhatsApp, but I don't have a WhatsApp account, so no clue what state it's in

If you have more questions about Sopranica's services (including cheogram and jmp) they have a chatroom here: xmpp:discuss@conference.soprani.ca?join

As for Slidge, their page is here: https://sr.ht/~nicoco/slidge As far as I know, there aren't any public transports, so you'll need to self-host or sign up with a public server that has them set up ✏

too much info at once, hehe

do you do all of that just because you are tired of switching apps all the time?

Kind of, but I never got that bad. Switching between IRC, Skype, and XMPP back in the 2000s was enough. That and my PSP could only run a single app at a time (there were some hacks for the Slim that allowed it to run two thanks to its 64MB of RAM, but it wasn't great)

If you have more questions, we should take this into DMs, since this isn't really on topic

ok

topgun: Though, on the topic of Gajim, if you can't get the Manjaro package working, you can try the flatpak version. I think Manjaro ships with flatpak by default

ill try flatpak

topgun: Oh yeah, here's a few different chatrooms that are great for asking general XMPP related questions: https://joinjabber.org/about/community/