Gajim - 2023-11-27

pep.: You should get a confirmation dialog when you try to close a chat. Have you tried selecting "do not ask me again" and pressing cancel? I don't know if this will do it.

I don't get the dialog

are you on a recent gajim version? ✏

check confirm_close_muc in the advanced configuration editor

I'll check tomorrow thanks. And yeah I'm running 1.8.4

Not on the laptop right now

hi

if I connect over tor, is it enough to just set the global proxy as Tor?

or do I have to enable the proxy per account basis?

because even if I set global proxy as Tor, any new account I add has 'System' enabled as proxy ✏

so, if I set global proxy as Tor, do I need to enbale them for my account too?

the tor daemon is running as relay and I'm exclusively using the onion server as hostname

> is there any way to open to the last-read position of a chat? i understand that gajim needs to keep track of which message has been last read (incl. by other clients?) and it'd be nice to jump to that message when switching chats monocles chat for android has it. ↺

huh, it seems settings as global proxy is enough, if you set onion address as hostname

I suggest to add "Tip Of The Day" to the main "Status" page, it would be good to educate about Gajim's feature (and also XMPP).

cal0pteryx, lovetox, are there any new features or UI planned for Service Discovery?

No

Okay

> Anon Ymous: wrong. They are stored in Windows's credential vault Is that by default now? I was using an old profile, but yes, I see that it's possible now 🙂 ↺

cal0pteryx I just checked, and it isn't enabled by default? Or is this dependent on whether you're using the portable version, for which it does make sense to not use the vault, but it still doesn't make sense to save it in plain text imho. ✏

cal0pteryx I just checked, and it's enabled by default for installations, disabled for portable, that makes sense. It still doesn't make sense to save it in plain text imho. ✏

Anon Ymous: what other option exists?

Anon Ymous, it makes perfectly sense to us

If I remember right, people have said you can store as a hash but only some servers will allow submitting a hash for authentication?

and that hash has the same value as the password

so nothing was gained

it requires cracking. You seem to disagree with the whole rationale that passwords should be stored hashed, which is industry standard on servers.

something likely is gained, it's just not as secure as encryption ✏

no nothing is gained, the hash is the password, everybody who gets the hash can log into your account

you are right, lol, how stupid of me to overlook that

and it makes not much sense to compare a server which stores tousands of users passwords, to your own machine storing only yours

yeah, I get that they are different scenarios, server being more likely to be attacked. I just think we should still respect the end user as much as possible

but maybe there is no solution possible here

first you would need to define the problem, then we can talk about a solution

I'm anticipating you saying "if you think an attacker has access to your password list, why would you assume they are not logging keystrokes anyway?" or similar ✏

I'm not saying we should, but I can imagine gajim having an optional setting to require a password at launch time, that password being used to decrypt a a password store used by gajim

im saying whatever your answer, it goes into the direction of you not securing your device, either by harddisk encryption or any other security mechanisms. So it seems you already dont care that attacker can read your full harddisk and all data contained. But Gajim should make now 10 bytes of that harddisk super secure for nobody to read. I would say Gajim cannot help such a careless user, and everything we do would be security theater.

> I'm not saying we should, but I can imagine gajim having an optional setting to require a password at launch time, that password being used to decrypt a a password store used by gajim Encrypt your harddrive and assign a password, suddenly you secure a lot more than *just* your XMPP account

yes, I agree

I'm sure someone can come up with scenarios where file-level encryption makes sense, too. But that will have a less confident rationale.

Gajim stores my XMPP password plaintext somewhere? Or only on Windows? Gajim prompts me for my XMPP password on Debian everytime

If someone wanted to add something to the wiki, should they just write it up and submit it as an issue, or ask first?

It might just be easier to host a separate unofficial wiki

i can give you a role so you can edit the wiki

fjklp, the current direction things are going towards is using tokens, you still have a password for the initial login, but afterwards you get handed a token from the server and from then on you can use it instead of the password, but it’s specific to this particular client and you can revoke it from other clients.

Link Mauve: what is this called?

FAST, see https://blog.prosody.im/fast-auth/

thanks

Hello, I am trying to debug a OMEMO issue between Gajim and Siskin. Is there any way to make the XML Console in Gajim more readable? Larger text oder colors with more contrast?

dpunkt, try Ctrl+Plus

(in gajim 1.8.3)

Thanks. Does not work in the console, but increasing the text size in the chat window also increases the size in the xml console...

Right, the shortcut is only recognized when the main window is focused

After updating gajim I noticed that the text field is selected when pressing any button. including just "ctrl". How can I Ctrl-C a Message now? Is this a Bug or Intentional?

dpunkt, works fine here

ctrl does not select the message input for me

Gajim 1.8.4, Windows 10

and I can Ctrl+C just fine

can somebody else on Windows check?

Which Version of OMEMO does Gajim implement?

works for me on linux ✏

fjklp, linux is not Windows :)

I know, I just wanted to add the data point

dpunkt, 0.3 ish

see https://gajim.org/support/extensions/

Thanks. Helps a lot to look into the correct spec...

wow, windows doesn't let you download and install applications

how considerate

is windows 10 not supported?

I just installed it 1 hour ago?

fjklp, that's simply not true

which part?

I just tried

Windows _does_ let you download and install applications. Windows 10 _is_ supported

it gave me a dialog with the option to "not install"

dark patterns

fjklp, look closer

Microsoft Store is recommended

that doesn't work either

gives me a blank page

The direct download does not seem to be microsft-approved code signed, so you get the warning.

it seemed to be more than a warning for me

When does this prekey="true" flag get set in omemo messages?

fjklp, that's not a gajim issue that your MS Store is not working :D and yes, you need to confirm that you really want to open the setup. it's hidden, but it's there

wow, that's insidious

hence the MS Store version

does the ms store link usually open a page in the browser? for me it opened a blank page in the browser.

fjklp, it opens a page in the browser, but it also tries to open the Store after the page has been loaded. seems your MS Store install is borked or you have some blocking extensions running

You can also use Chocolatey, if you prefer a decent package manager on Windows

I don't know what's going on but it's taking forever to connect to anything in gajim

maybe I'll try again later ✏

what a crazy experience trying to use windows

fjklp, just because it does not work for you :) I'm using Gajim on windows just fine

I mean the dark patterns in the installer, the fact that it wouldn't let me reboot when I wanted to, and the fact that gajim was taking forever to connect to multiple servers, and that it was running so slow with more than enough ram

fjklp, maybe your internet is just slow at the moment? or your machine in general? Gajim runs fast for me on Windows, every day

it's definitely slow internet. I was running it in a vm. Maybe windows needs more cores to just idle or something.

I haven't messed with windows much for a long time

sorry, I mean definitely *not* slow internet

I can confirm that with gajim 1.8.4 in windows 10, after highlighting a word in chat, pressing the control key causes the text input field to be selected, so copying with Ctrl+c is not possible in the chat message space ✏

also happens with the shift key (e.g. text selection by keyboard)

I also experience that