Gajim - 2023-11-26

> Nepptün wrote: > Is it planed to include libretranslate in gajim ? Yes. We also work on Minecraft launcher and an Ice Maker.

hell yeah, I knew gajim is going places

Geld, what do you mean minecraft launcher and ice maker?

> polarian wrote: > Geld, what do you mean minecraft launcher and ice maker? You will be able to play Minecraft while sipping your favourite drink with ice cubes.

All in Gajim.

lovetox: do you happen to know why the muc disco info bug apparently only happens with some versions of ejabberd and nothing else?

Gajim aio solution for happines

are the following log messages indicative of something being wrong? (W) gajim.c.settings Unable to determine context for: quqiyi@muc.nixnet.services (W) gajim.c.m.caps (nixnet.services) Error from quqiyi@muc.nixnet.services: item-not-found - Invalid node name

Is there an online read-only archive of trac.gajim.org?

> All in Gajim. sounds awful ↺

Sometimes I think it would be nice for gajim to work better with nick changes relative to chat history. An example of an improvement that I think would be easy to do would be to add a column to the logs table in the logs.db called something like 'self_sent', with each row having either a 0 to mean it was not sent by myself, or a 1 meaning it was sent by myself. That way if I have changed my nick in a given chat and I want to search for messages sent by me, I can do a search with a filter and special variable like 'from:@me' and it will return all messages with a 1 in the self_sent column for that jid. ✏

I don't think of it as a high priority, just sharing the thought

> sounds awful All in XMPP, then?

fjklp, sounds good. I suggest to send a ticket to https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues

Also, the ability to view messages that mention my nick, regardless of nick change. The only way I can currently think to do it would be to "grep" for current nick when message is received (not sure if we might consider this too resource intensive to be feasible) and if there is a match, we put a 1 in the to_self column. Then we can search and filter for these messages with 'mentions:@me'.

wait, we are already doing this nick matching anyway because we get notified of mentions, so it doesn't add any resource usage, just an extra logs.db column.

But I can see how this might be just a part of other changes like having an "inbox" so maybe this is already being worked out or something. ✏

fjklp, yes its already done in the database refactor mr

Hi all ! why there is no full documentation for nbxmpp ? it would be great for others to understand nbxmpp in order to make other xmpp clients !!

there is no documentation, you can see an example project at https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/nbxmpp-client

lovetox, will it be available in future ?

probably not

lovetox, okey thanks !

astanad_ You probably know that, but just for completeness: There are multiple Python XMPP libaries, e.g. aioxmpp, slixmpp and wokkel. I use slixmpp for my little projects.

debacle, is slixmpp well maintained ?! works with ejabberd/prosody/openfire ?

debacle, last commit on github was in oct 3 , 2022 !!

astanad_ Yes, sure. There is a MUC xmpp:slixmpp@muc.poez.io?join

debacle, oh thank you !

astanad_ Who would use github :-) https://codeberg.org/poezio/slixmpp

debacle, what's wrong with github ? because of microsoft ? 😂️

astanad_ That's probably not something to discuss here :-)

debacle, yes !

astanad_ Anyway all four libs (aioxmpp, nbxmpp, slixmpp, wokkel) are actively used and it depends on your taste and your use case, which one you use.

debacle, okey ! i'll try to read the source code of all these libraries and then i'll decide wich one i'll use ! 😀️

There are some dead libraries, too: python-xmpp, pyxmpp and more, but they never made the switch to Python 3 and their respective homepages are dead.

astanad_ Haha, yes, that's the spirit!

debacle, thanks for your help !!

astanad_ yw!

Where could the list of bookmarks be found at? (xep 0048)

It appears that every groupchat is bookmarked automatically and there is the option of "forget" to remove it.

sch, "Start Chat" lists all your group chat bookmarks

Thank you

sch, and right click on a groupchat in that dialog, allows you to forget it

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *1b318b73* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/1b318b73e2728dc8160c7db95a81b3dce61a6642 > refactor: Scripts: Remove usage of deprecated datetime method

I think it would be good to list bookmarked MUCs (under Groupchats) in Gajim's contact list

sch: Start Chat is the replacement for Gajim's contact list (roster)

Does it mean that it will replace the current contact list or will it remain an addition?

not sure, but what you are searching is the Start Chat Dialog

Gajims Contact List is a representation of your Roster on the server

so no it will never contain groupchats, as they cannot be in your roster

In the Start Chat Dialog you have also a filter button, and can filter for groupchats

Philipp Hörist pushed 3 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *58398a31* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/58398a31aa43f3e2aa7d82ff31be8551b2ba75dc > change: Raise nbxmpp version *d4d818ca* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/d4d818ca06bf209a450a8655709631f641af038e > chore: Flatpak: Update dependencies *f9d1e5b3* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/f9d1e5b31f532292942ac4a688c16f1fed90fde1 > chore: Update translations

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *f36a0308* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/f36a0308bb352011f80767103603a8f4db47aed6 > release: 1.8.4

> so no it will never contain groupchats, as they cannot be in your roster Contacts under "contacts" and Bookmarks under "groupchats" I don't see a problem with it. ✏

thats why we already have this, check out the Start Chat Dialog :)

I understand

bookmark does not mean what you think it does from a Browser

its just a storage format for information on the server

nothing the user needs to do or see

its just the information what group chats you are joined

When I got aware of the special feature of XMPP, which was by Gajim and Psi, I have seen the bookmarks via a menu of the menu-bar. I was also able to open a bookmarks dialog with which I could edit preferences to each groupchat. So, I understood that my account had also groupchats saved to it, in bookmarks. Contacts to roster and Groupchats to bookmarks. ✏

I have updated my last message.

As a new person getting to know XMPP, by seeing the groupchats at Start Chat, I wouldn't realize that these are in any way saved to my account.

sch, I know you want the appearance of Contact list and Group list like Conversations. But Gajim has its own features.

It does not matter much.

So I think it would be worthwhile to make the appearance in a way that would clarify to the person what bookmarks are. Make bookmarks as "tangible", so to speak, as contact roster.

☭Mike Yellow, lovetox, I agree with both of you.

Why would i need as a user what Gajim stores on the server and what not?

I expect that if i log in Gajim restores as much as possible

I want less technical people to understand, as easily as possible, what they are dealing with when they see XMPP, a standard, portable and (truely) open communication platform.

When I got to know XMPP, I was exposed to many features, Roster, Bookmarks, Transports and then I was able to understand that it is even more flexible than these and can be used in many other ways, like connecting a Download Manager to it etc.

The more technical details I was presented by the GUI, the more I could understand.

This is my argument. I'm not sure how strong it is though.

I guess you may want Gajim make “contacts, groups” filter open by default in the window “Start Chat” as an easy way to change in the UI.

Instead of the funnel icon button?

i understand that you are interested in the technical details, and there is nothing stopping you reading about them, but we try to design the GUI for people wanting to chat, not to educate people about thecnical details

Fine

sch, you just want to learn more about XMPP?

Yes

I'm learning

is there any way to open to the last-read position of a chat? i understand that gajim needs to keep track of which message has been last read (incl. by other clients?) and it'd be nice to jump to that message when switching chats

> I guess you may want Gajim make “contacts, groups” filter open by default in the window “Start Chat” as an easy way to change in the UI. that might be good idea to make it more discoverable

procrastinator, currently not ✏

sch, here, an advanced XMPP user manual. Use a translate plugin in your web browser to read. >https://shzyly.rf.gd/文档/离线文档/《社会主义XMPP高级用户使用说明书》/目录索引-H.html

> that might be good idea to make it more discoverable Yes

By the way, I guess the three selections in the filter are “all”, “contact”, “group”. The Simplified Chinese translation of the “contact” should be “联系人” but not “聊天”(“chat”).

Thank you, ☭Mike Yellow

☭Mike Yellow, https://translate.gajim.org/

If these volunteer translators are here or they have public XMPP addresses, then it can be easier.

Oh, sorry, the original text is “Chats”. Nevermind.

i've noticed an issue in 1.8.3 where after sending a file, the chat title is highlighted instead of the chat box

i.e. i have to click the chat box to continue sending messages instead of just being able to start typing again

chili-b: fixed in 1.8.4

oh, did that just release?

Yup

Hello, please tell me why Gajim does not start on Windows 10 VLSC after installation

Is this like this for everyone?

no

how did you install Gajim?

I downloaded Gajim from this link from the official website https://gajim.org/downloads/1.8/Gajim-1.8.4-64bit.exe then installed Gajim 1.8.4.exe, after which I started launching it from a shortcut on the desktop. Unfortunately, it did not start, nothing appeared on the desktop. Rebooted the computer and tried to start again from the shortcut and again nothing.

VLSC?

Yes, enterprise VLSC(LTSC) 22h2

Андрей, try starting gajim-debug.exe from the same folder

or try starting the exe from console

It still won’t start, can I somehow remove the log and send it here? When you run Gajim debug, text appears in the console and the console closes.

start it from the terminal

Log from the console ** (Gajim-Debug.exe:12056): WARNING **: 21:30:01.658: expected enumeration type void, but got PyGLibOptionArg instead Logger gajim level set to 10 Logger nbxmpp level set to 20 Logger omemo_dr level set to 10 2023-11-26T21:30:01 (I) gajim | Gajim Version: 1.8.4

puh not much to see here

when did this problem start?

what was the last version that worked?

I installed the client for the first time on Windows, on Linux everything is fine, it works like a charm :)

hm can you deinstall, and try installing it from the windowsstore

At the same time, there is no store in the VLSC store, so it won't be possible to install it, I can only try to install Windows 10 Pro, just maybe some component is missing? I don’t use Vasyan’s builds, only msdn or vlsc representatives :)

can you try https://gajim.org/downloads/1.8/Gajim-1.8.1-64bit.exe

Gajim 1.8.4 has been released: https://gajim.org/post/2023-11-26-gajim-1.8.4-released/

This version is up and running. https://gajim.org/downloads/1.8/Gajim-1.8.1-64bit.exe Thanks everyone :)

Андрей, do you have time for some testing?

lovetox: There is still time.

could you install on the same machine the portable version

https://gajim.org/downloads/1.8/Gajim-Portable-1.8.4-64bit.exe

and delete one dll afterwards from the portable folder

lovetox: I'll install it now, no problem :)

search then only in the portabl folder for "libgstamfcodec.dll"

and delete it, then try to start it

be aware that no other gajim instance is running though

lovetox: I did as you said, the portable version of Gajim worked

hm thanks

i just used portable because it does not interfere with your installed version

but you can apply the same hack on the normally installed gajim version

lovetox: Thank you, I will now try to use it on the installed version of Gajim 1.8.4 :)

lovetox, On the installed version 1.8.4 everything worked out, everything works :)

good to hear, thanks for testing

we will apply that fix in the next version

nice, thanks for testing, elisoandr

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *e88921c8* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/e88921c81ef1769aefa2d95a66c58ebb8cbfed02 > fix: Windows: Remove problematic DLL This DLL causes a crash on Windows

Is it possible to disable ^W closing a tab? :(

Same curse as with firefox..

Except in Firefox, as much as it's annoying, I can reopen the tab directly with ^T