Gajim - 2023-11-25

Game overed since Gajim 1.8.0 because of Python official.

Tell them to update to Windows 10, or they can only install Gajim 1.7.3.

or upgrade to linux

how u fix?

> good find ! thank you :)

umu, you can find older 1.7.x releases of Gajim for your friend here: https://gajim.org/downloads/1.7/

will 1.7 work on windows 7?

No idea, but the Red from China seems to think so, and they have done extensive work with deploying XMPP across many devices

> will 1.7 work on windows 7? Yes. 1.7.3 works on it.

real asf

nicoco, seems your slidge bridge sends weird delay timestamps

for some reason our timestamp parsing does not catch it, and returns negative epoch timestamps

would be very interested in how these timestamps look

i guess it sets the timestamp year to something before 1970

lovetox: really? is this the oserror?

yes

because this was solved by uninstalling then reinstalling gajim?

(without clearing user data)

i doubt it, seems it has something to do with the muc delay timestamp

check your code if it can have values before 1970

its still a bug that gajim fails with such a timestamp, but there is also no reason for a muc ever sending one

OK I'll watch out but I am 100% positive that there was something borked with this installation on this laptop (both windows store and non-windows store version)

the problem seems not to be a value before 1970

the number represents year 0

which is not supported in python

Hello guys, is it possible to create groupchats on xmpp.is servers? I want a groupchat with my friends but i don't want to host my own server.

Just figured it out.

👍️

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _python-nbxmpp_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp >: *6e6ffb7b* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/6e6ffb7b2427cae8d1200008ad0542cce81db29c > fix: DateTime: Be more strict with parsing Don’t parse timestamps which may fail conversion to different timezones

Hello, when I send an encrypted message, I get the half unencrypted logo in front of other users' name.

https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/MLNgNw8KrVL8wCLaO36vcIhmTrWUobyISaO2WKOF/9b2c47a8-ea86-4825-b234-9a90072cf3a8.png

And, when I send a message, I get full encrypted logo, or rather a different logo. Maybe both the messages are encrypted. I just want to know the meaning of these two icons*

https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/8GVzMrvd0E7UeEWf276eybeQittjNQAqKyBYoJOk/91fb7bef-7ff8-49e5-9bc1-4db1b08cad35.png

tomchaplin: Hover your cursor over those icons

Encrypted, but Unverified

tomchaplin, that is “blind trust”(better to call as “directly trust” for newbies), it is described in the chapter that I send you.

https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/9Pd6lLRwEq288K8RyLi1xpVyF7kjyDNzG2R3D1W9/708a09ca-80dd-4ef6-82ea-62d5e3f88393.png

You can make it “verified” manually.

Yeah, blind trust doesn't sound good.

Just a mark for yourself.

Is that how I can verify it manually? > https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/9Pd6lLRwEq288K8RyLi1xpVyF7kjyDNzG2R3D1W9/708a09ca-80dd-4ef6-82ea-62d5e3f88393.png

Yes.

Oh ok.

brb

> Yeah, blind trust doesn't sound good. Blind trust is probably the most appropriate term. It means you are trusting out of convenience, with no knowledge that you ought to trust it.

lovetox: I'd like to understand the bug I found better. Is it a gajim problem or a ejabberd problem? I see that you said "disco info caching" but I don't know enough to know if this happens on client or server.

its a gajim problem

we save disco info only once but with a jid

later another muc that has the same disco info gets it from the database but with the other jid attached

this can only happen if you dont give your groupchat a name

which is very unlikely in normal usage

alright, thanks

> Is that how I can verify it manually? > https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/9Pd6lLRwEq288K8RyLi1xpVyF7kjyDNzG2R3D1W9/708a09ca-80dd-4ef6-82ea-62d5e3f88393.png > Some users have around 5-10 fingerprints. I can't keep on verifying all of them manually.

> > Yeah, blind trust doesn't sound good. > Blind trust is probably the most appropriate term. It means you are trusting out of convenience, with no knowledge that you ought to trust it. What is the other way to trust someone other than Blind trust?

Verifying

You do either of those

How to verify?

Oh wait, I thought this verifying method is what is called Blind trusting. > > Is that how I can verify it manually? > https://macaw.me:5443/upload/48ec68533ea6d30f9028f6e3025b226ad42f9a3e/9Pd6lLRwEq288K8RyLi1xpVyF7kjyDNzG2R3D1W9/708a09ca-80dd-4ef6-82ea-62d5e3f88393.png > > > Some users have around 5-10 fingerprints. I can't keep on verifying all of them manually.

You verify (physically) and then set the full shield on that fingerprint. Once you do that, it will always ask if new fingerprints are discovered. Blind trust means to trust any new fingerprint

Please read https://gultsch.de/trust.html

The concept of Blind Trust Before Verification (BTBV) in short: Automatically trust all new devices of contacts that haven’t been verified before, and prompt for manual confirmation each time a verified contact adds a new device.

Exactly

So, since my Blind Trust verification setting is already on, the only thing left to do for me is to verify physically with users?

Either you blindly trust new fingerprints or you verify them. There is no in-between. Once you verify, you are not blindly trusting new ones

Ok. Thank you for your patience to bear me. Now to end this, coming back to question, How can I fix the unable to decrypt message? I found one user, and verified him, but the previous message was still not readable. I assume, the future messages will be. But there are users with multiple fingerprints, and I don't think verifying all of them without scanning barcode, or just changing the verification setting is the solution.

tomchaplin, whats the question?

you cannot read previous messages

How can I fix the unable to decrypt message?

ok

if a message was unable to decrypt, it will stay that way forever

if you dont want constantly verifying devices

set them all to blind trust

Ok, So, to not get the unable to decrypt the message in future from other users, what action I must take?

just to be clear you received a message which was unable to decrypt?

was there more information in the text about the "why"?

just to be clear you received a message which was unable to decrypt? Yes. was there more information in the text about the "why"? No.

then you cannot do anything about it

Ok, thank you very much.

except telling your contact, maybe he needs to trust some fingerprints

Ok, understood.

I notice that uploading a file with gajim does not update the file picker 'Recent' list in gnome. I guess this is not a gajim problem?

fjklp: gajim has only very limited access to file pickers

you need a nose picker for that

Is it planed to include libretranslate in gajim ?