Gajim - 2023-11-24

what is the meaning of the "received" check mark when sending a direct message?

A feedback that means “I have received this message”(“I am online”), different with “I have read here(/it)”. ✏

A feedback that means “I have received this message”(“I am online”) from your contact, different with “I have read here(/it)”. ✏

but what has received the message? It could mean that my server received it, the contact's server received it, or that my contact has received it on their client application.

>my contact has received it on their client application

It looks like there is no server's receipt in XMPP?

fjklp: the contact received the message

Their client app?

> Their client app? Yes. Signals of “received” and “have read” are two different functions in XMPP.

☭Mike Yellow, there are server receipts, when you use XEP-0198 which most clients do.

Link Mauve, no client exposes this to the user to my knowledge

so this is only in theory

I think Dino does.

You get one check when the server has received it, two checks when the recipient also has.

hm didnt know that, you learn something every day

so my intuition wasn't so crazy

Link Mauve, i just tried in dino, and no there is no "server received" checkmark

Oh?

if im offline, the message simply gets no checkmark at all

https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/UUUJVvIrOqv3jmKZ/f2323c7a-4cd6-4f9b-a86b-3af04a35dc8d.png

That’s to be expected, but when you are online and your server doesn’t ack your messages as well.

i meant if the contact is not online

Oh, I was wrong then.

Hey, I think gajim is stuck on 1.8.1 in the windows/microsoft/something store. Is this known?

1.8.1 forever!

nicoco, why do you think that? i installed it a few days ago and it was 1.8.3 ✏

well, just this morning I tried on a windows laptop, chose "install" through the windows store but "help->about gajim" still shows 1.8.1 (also, the crash dialog).

Dammit, I guess the installation is still broken from the non-windows store to windows store transition.

? those have nothing to do with each other, and i dont see how they can break

The windows store did not show "update" but rather "install" though. It was the first time I used it so maybe that's expected.

I can't tell precisely, but I what I know is that when I installed the windows store version on this laptop, the previous (non windows store) was still there in parallel, and it corrupted the DB (or something…), resulting in constant "traceback" dialogs. I think I had cleaned it all and installed the windows store version alone, but since gajim is stuck is 1.8.1, despite manually clicking "install" in the windows store, I thought maybe this was related.

Interestingly enough, gajim also displayed "no update available, last check: 2023/11/17"

so uninstall the normal version?

I thought I had done that, maybe not I guess…

This my partner's laptop, she does not care too much about having the latest version, but this bug makes bug makes gajim barely usable: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11700

never seen that, and OS Error means potentially the install is fucked up

i would suggest to really uninstall all gajim installations first

OK! She's not going to be happy about losing history but meh I'll do that. So weird that this started to occur out of the blue this week…

if you reinstall from ms store and its not 1.8.3 something is wrong

its really weird that ms shows no version info at all in the ms store

you basically cant know what you install

yeah I also was surprised by that. weird stuff my friend, weird stuff

nicoco, you should be able to keep the logs.db though.

Thanks I'll try that but I'm worried about corrupted stuff. Ideally I hope to clean it up, clean install, and never touch this windows laptop anymore.

hmm, I just saw that typing notifications can do "User paused composing a message". I wonder what that means. ✏

``` o (start) | | INACTIVE <--> ACTIVE <--> COMPOSING <--> PAUSED | | | | +---<---<---<---<---<---<---<---<---<---+ ``` fjklp https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html if you're interested ;)

fjklp: what's unclear about that sentence?

sometimes I just feel the need to eliminate the possibility of ambiguity. I guess it's more a matter of me feeling doubt than lack of clarity in the sentence.

One reason for the feeling of doubt is that I sent a few direct messages to different contacts recently and both of them immediately produced a check mark, and I didn't expect that one of the contacts was online. However, I don't know for sure.

lovetox: sentry has more details on that error. Something with a subject timestamp being close to absolute zero, producing this is error

OSError

I'm wanting to run gajim from git source in a way that I can avoid interfering with my main gajim config and log files. I see that there is the `‐‐config‐path=PATH` option. Is that the recommended way? ✏

looks like that does what I wanted

fjklp: yes

I can reproduce the problem I've been having with newly created mucs displaying wrong info. I don't know if it's a problem with gajim or with ejabberd. Should I post steps to reproduce here or on the tracker? ✏

Try here

## Steps to reproduce bug 1. create a new account on nixnet.services 2. create a new group chat, select the nixnet.services account for creation, press create button 3. repeat step 2 to create another group chat with the same nixnet.services account 4. restart gajim 5. check metadata for the second created group chat 6. creating more group chats will have the same problem - In the 'Share Group Chat' link, you should see the true xmpp address on the bottom line and the wrong xmpp address on the top line - In the Group Chat Details > Information panel, you should see the wrong chat name and wrong xmpp address - In the Group Chat Details > Manage panel, you should see the wrong chat name - In the Group Chat Details > Configuration panel, you should see the wrong chat name and the right xmpp address - At some point, the names in the chat list will also show the wrong value, but I don't know how to reproduce this ✏

## Steps to reproduce bug 1. create a new account on nixnet.services 2. create a new group chat, select the nixnet.services account for creation, do not change any settings for this, use all defaults, press create button 3. repeat step 2 to create another group chat with the same nixnet.services account 4. restart gajim 5. check metadata for the second created group chat 6. creating more group chats will have the same problem - In the 'Share Group Chat' link, you should see the true xmpp address on the bottom line and the wrong xmpp address on the top line - In the Group Chat Details > Information panel, you should see the wrong chat name and wrong xmpp address - In the Group Chat Details > Manage panel, you should see the wrong chat name - In the Group Chat Details > Configuration panel, you should see the wrong chat name and the right xmpp address - At some point, the names in the chat list will also show the wrong value, but I don't know how to reproduce this ✏

I haven't experienced this when testing on prosody and it doesn't happen on all ejabberd servers. Conversations.im does not produce this bug behavior.

nixnet.services: ejabberd 23.4.0 conversations.im: ejabberd 19.05.13-conversations.im

why do you need to select a service for creation?

do you have a multi account setup on this client?

I have done it on a fresh setup with no other accounts

then its weird you mention this, because there is no service to choose in the create groupchat dialog

right, I guess I was referencing a client that did when I wrote that

i followed the steps and created an account on that server

i dont see the issue you describe

are you sure there are no errors whatsoever in your console?

lol, damn it

(nixnet.services) Error from igaquren@muc.nixnet.services: item-not-found - Invalid node name

Unable to determine context for: quqiyi@muc.nixnet.services

those are the only things I know that might be relevant, when launching from the shell

you restarted gajim?

yes

wrong xmpp address you would only see if chat switching would not work at all anymore

note that there is variations. All of the buttons to copy the address have the *right* address.

when you copy them, that is

it's mixed

I am also able to post messages to both of the group chats

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/gGU0b6laYDjk6eDRfMmn0DxW/8055fa68-8301-4300-bd6c-b689ea671f02.png

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/0m8wTaCtK_cjvw5HHGG-oOZx/112b132b-7043-411c-851c-dd5123b99001.png

that doesn't follow the pattern I described, but you can see some of what I mean

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/yzx3_Pc_A2i5Kbz9PkHKNPsF/3f809a89-b455-41d2-96e3-8e865349ef90.png

https://upload.gajim.org:5281/upload/oXhXpfsu1xGgkUQSb1AljyFA/dfdec145-7f0d-4b3e-b7c9-cc23a1f5b05a.png

those two are from the same Group Chat Details

wait

could this be caused by any software change in the upgrade from ubuntu 23.04 to 23.10?

I ask because I don't remember this happening until recently, and I don't know what else has changed. I tried going back to older gajim versions like 1.6.0 and it still did it.

it does this on a fresh flatpak install as well as a fresh setup with ‐‐config‐path=PATH on source install

GTK Version: 3.24.38 GLib Version: 2.78.0 Pango Version: 1.51.0 PyGObject Version: 3.46.0 cairo Version: 1.18.0 pycairo Version: 1.24.0 python-nbxmpp Version: 4.5.2 libsoup Version: 3.4.2

I guess I was always using the newest version of nbxmpp

I just tried in an ubuntu 23.04 VM with the ubuntu package gajim 1.7.2 and ran it with a fresh config directory with --config-path=PATH and it does the same bug thing

fjklp, after some trys i could reproduce it

i think i found it, seems to be a disco info cache probem

when both rooms are created without name, they have exactly identical disco info

thats why we save only one, but somewhere store the JID from which the disco info is

and this creates the problem

good find !

hello

question

why doesnt gajim work on windows 7?

i hab friend who told to install gajim n

they cant seem to install it