Gajim - 2023-11-10

Where are we supposed to be able to view Idle Time, Local System Time, Operating System, and Media Playback, as listed the account privacy settings, and what are all the conditions needed for it to work? I thought I remembered it being visible in the tooltip of the contact(?).

They aren't shown at the moment. They were, before we redesigned the chat banner. There are two issues related to this on the tracker

Three actually

I'd like to see this on the avatar tooltip/popover, and in the profile window. But it's no priority, very few people are asking for it

Though idle time should be in the tooltip, and OS/local time should be in the contact info's devices page (that's what I meant with "profile" above) ✏

I agree on it being low priority, I just wanted to test it

the only thing I managed to get working was media playback

It's on the contact info dialog

Obviously you see it only of the contact allows it

I was testing between two of my accounts

who knows if that causes problems in gajim

No it should not

Check the device page it shows the info

[18:42:38] *** [REDACTED_USER] ([REDACTED_JID]/gajim) has joined the room as a participant https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/17a88974-d0a2-4904-aa58-f8690d452e3c

Anyone know why I have to keep banning Gajim users for these connection issues?

Also that's a very cool pastebin plugin. What is that module called? ✏

Likely mod_pastebin from the prosody community modules

Squeaky Latex Folf, no, not aware of any bugs in that regard, also you are the first that reports that

I saw it happen with multiple users. Especially Gajim

But most conversations forks have a similar issue, but in much less of a spammy regard

Conversations clients can reconnect about every 8 minutes

Meanwhile, Gajim, if in a glitchy state, can reconnect every few seconds as demonstrated in my log ✏

your log shows "User has left" Gajim offers no way to automatically without user interaction leave a MUC

the only reason i could think of is Gajim goes offline

but as said, not aware of any bug in that regard, maybe next time ask the user to name his Gajim version

» [19:03:20] <lovetox> the only reason i could think of is Gajim goes offline Well yeah probably

But wouldn't session management fix that problem?

depends on why it goes offline

it could be that the user sends something illegal to the server

and the server ends the stream because of that

Well then the leave reason would be different

that is no resumeable

Then it'll say that the user left because it sent an illegal stanza or something like that

Psi+ is pretty verbose on leave reasons

no .. not your muc server

i talk about the server of the user

and no it would tell your remote server why it ended the stream with the user

why would it

there are some ejabberd servers that have a limit on some queue of stanzas

I wish there was an XMPP client with smart filter support like on weechat

and i remember when a user joins many mucs, the server would kill the stream with a policy violation

which triggers a reconnect

Then I wouldn't have to ban people just because they join leave join leave join leave

just tell the user next time his server is probably misconfigured

I have join/part messages enabled so that I can moderate spammers who post and immediately leave

A possible reason would be that they use the same resource on two different clients.

This can happen if they backup their existing configuration and deploy it on a different computer.

But instead of guessing, better diagnose it with that user.

Squeaky Latex Folf, poezio has that kind of feature, where it only displays joins and parts if the user had any activity.

Oh cool

Maybe I should check out poezio. I do run profanity though with a patch that allow me to see join/part JIDs so I can moderate ✏

Also why does Gajim not listen to MUC kicks?

The stupid client just reconnects despite being kicked

Maybe XMPP client developers should remember kicks in a database and require the user to manually review the kick reason before rejoining

Because the way it works right now, the kick command has become completely useless

If kick actually worked, I wouldn't have to resort to banning Gajim users ✏

Squeaky Latex Folf, we dont do this anymore for a long time

What is the current behaviour?

i think you are dealing with users who use very old versions of Gajim maybe

Fanatic Gajim GTK2 users

Squeaky Latex Folf, show the user that he was kicked, and then .. nothing

I mean I'd do the same, except I just don't use Gajim at all anymore

I like Gajim GTK2 somewhat

I very much dislike the GTK3 interface

But I haven't tried the new Matrix/Discord-like interface

Gajim GTK3 is veeery laggy as well

But perhaps these bugs have been fixed. Last time I used Gajim was 2020

Does Gajim use GTK3 or GTK4 now?

> Last time I used Gajim was 2020 Maybe you should give it a try with a recent version.

I'm just scared though

Squeaky Latex Folf, GTK3, no plans for GTK4

I'm scared Gajim may be worse now, or just as bad as it used to be

But I can't know without trying

But you talk in length of something you don't use ✏

I'm talking about an old experience from 2020

I'm emerging gajim right now, hold on

Hey this is interesting

What is this workspaces thing?

Is that an XEP or custom?

Also it seems Gajim doesn't retrieve scrollback when joining MUCs

That's mildly annoying but maybe MAM doesn't work for new clients

although scrollback is not related to MAM

its just a way to group your chats, not a standard

How does it get saved?

in the Gajim Database

Client-side, or server-side with PEP storage or something?

Oh, that's lame

But I am a bit puzzled. How do I manage my bookmarks on Gajim 1.8.1?

In 2020, there was a simple way to look at bookmarks within Gajim. In fact, bookmarks were a subsection of the roster iirc

Now it is not anymore

I cannot set a bookmark to autojoin

or join bookmarks I have set to not autojoin

I remember that that used to be possible in 2020 Gajim

click the green + button and type whatever chat you want to join

Kind of unfortunate I cannot manage bookmarks like one used to be able to

Squeaky Latex Folf: no need to manage those yourself, as gajim does that automatically. "Start Chat" has all you need

I want to disagree

But I see now that the "Start Chat" thing does list your bookmarks

But it doesn't give me the ability to disable autojoin on a per-groupchat basis

So I still disagree

Squeaky Latex Folf: sure it does. Just close the group chat. Poof, auto join disabled

That's very implicit

I like explicitly having control over something, and not having too many abstractions that try to hide important protocol details

But that's just me

That's why I always liked Psi+

Yes i think we disagree then, because its our set goal that to not bother users with protocol details at all

Yeah that kind of steered me away from using Gajim

But it wasn't the main reason

Squeaky Latex Folf: that's fine, there are plenty of clients. Since I see GTK2 nostalgia, I don't think that's the audience we target :D

The main reason I stopped using Gajim was due to how slooow it was

At the time I blamed Python, as usual, as most Python programs have a habit of being slow

But I saw some changelogs where Gajim claimed it has improved in performance

Nothing can be right for everyone, I myself just send raw xml with the console ✏

Psi+ has some annoying bugs that require me to use the XML console to set my avatar though

Potato hardware might be an issue as well, don't know :D

You're going to blame my hardware?

If a 2000-ish Pentium processor cannot run an instant messaging client, you know you screwed up

Wouldn't be the first time where users complain while using 15 years old hardware + HDD and stuff

However I am using a Haswell CPU

Haswell should be able to run anything at a decent speed

If not, you know you did something horribly wrong

Right now Gajim seems to be running fine though

I don't think there is any point in this discussion

Are you using gajim 1.8.3 and experience slowness?

Gentoo has 1.8.1 packaged right now

Menel: right :)

Any prospect for re-adding the Ctrl+Shift+Up to quote previous messages. I so dearly miss it...

yes i think we want to

lovetox That's great news! 😃