Gajim - 2023-10-31

https://youtu.be/GurbaZzwYvU?feature=shared&t=684

a cool video where I mention gajim

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it's nice to see more XMPP stuff on youtube

I had to laugh at the choice to not talk about matrix too much

Denshi: thanks Denshi, I already had an account on macaw.me and resumed using it. Had forgot how useful it is and I'll try to make friends use it. In my country (Peru) we use Whatsapp a lot, so it's a nice substitute.

> Denshi: thanks Denshi, I already had an account on macaw.me and resumed using it. Had forgot how useful it is and I'll try to make friends use it. In my country (Peru) we use Whatsapp a lot, so it's a nice substitute. mitsuo, thanks! I'm glad you liked my video and resumed using XMPP. I also used WhatsApp most of my life, and XMPP feels like the true libre alternative.

I very much like it and convinced me to continue using it (along with gajim) instead of Whatsapp. I'll now be "exchanging OMEMO keys" with girls instead of asking for their Instagram.

let us know how this goes

Ok, OMEMO_keys_exchanged=0

> mitsuo wrote: > Ok, OMEMO_keys_exchanged=0 Yeah, ask for their QR code for XMPP.

"Babe, you so cute, add me on XMPP" *Scans the code* *She actually uses XMPP* Life's good.

No woman uses xmpp

My mom does!!!!!

\o/

> My mom does!!!!! Wow ↺

> No woman uses xmpp 3 women I know use it

Some of my girlfriends use it too

why wouldnt women use xmpp anyway? i would much more expect men not to use xmpp

Gajim supports DTLS right?

what happens if a server supports both DTLS and STARTLS

D as in direct

I was lazy :)

polarian: Yes it does

Then how does gajim pick between it

which SRV record will it pick?

sorry, I may have confused it with something else

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 2 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins >: *102f582b* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/-/commit/102f582bf4c0af276849a1c55e92c05de6fce90c > [openpgp] Catch more initialization exceptions Fixes #593 *9128043b* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/-/commit/9128043b33d1a7d7add5deef2f0c7e96e6323b2b > [openpgp] 1.5.2

You mean direct tls , dtls is setting different

And it always uses direct first

https://quic.video/blog/replacing-webrtc/ let's rewrite everything ^^'

lovetox_, is there a way to put an account in Gajim offline w/o closing all chats? I want to have only the log of a single account without the noise of the others

Simply set the status to offline

Or disable auto connect in account settings

how do I change the status?

Click the Avatar button in the sidebar

thanks, I only had looked under "Accounts --> modify accounts"

André pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins >: *73ed25d6* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/-/commit/73ed25d6557bbcf8a88eba2ca9ba786404266d84 > Flatpak: Update openpgp

Gajim 1.8.2 has been released 🎉 https://gajim.org/post/2023-10-29-gajim-1.8.2-released/

> why wouldnt women use xmpp anyway? i would much more expect men not to use xmpp Male thing ↺

(?)

> Ichtyx a écrit : > https://quic.video/blog/replacing-webrtc/ > let's rewrite everything ^^' Holy shit, they will never stop will they?

It's only a male thing (possibly) because people want it to be one. ✏

It's not intrinsically male.

"people want it to be" which people? Women don't want to use it.

lol

I have many female friends on it, just that they don't hang around here (public spaces) because it's a pain to be among men / manish behaviour. And I totally understand them.

(And in general, friends who don't identify as male)

Sure sure

cal0pteryx, announcement was a little slow, Arch Linux already updated to 1.8.2 yesterday 😉

polarian, I'm glad Arch is up to speed again

me + deployment were a little slow this time :)

yeah well... they got a little pissed off from my moaning and someone decided to maintain :)

so they bump it, I test it, they merge it into the repository

easy

cool!

when did gajim move to gtk4 again?

was it 1.8.x?

it never moved

its still gtk3

what the fuck?!?!

then why is it not picking up my gtk3 theme

Oh I am thinking about dino which moved...

polarian, transition to gtk4 is not even planned at this time.

yeah sorry

got confused between dino and gajim

seen as I follow both the feeds :P

porting gajim to GTK4 would be a major effort (look at Gimp, lol)

> https://quic.video/blog/replacing-webrtc/ > let's rewrite everything ^^' I kind of like this tbh

gtk4 is painful anyways

they changed how they handle themes

is it?

and its just painful to deal with it

it breaks my workflow

I'd like to see gajim using libadwaita even

but anyways, how come gajim doesn't pick up my gtk theme...

polarian, try with GTK Inspector

wait nevermind

lxappearance being buggy

ok it is working now...

I really hate dealing with gtk sometimes

OTRv23

Hey y'all, I'm not sure if this is a "me" issue, but I can't seem to see the date on the gajim articles in news

the date is in the URL so you can always see it there

Denshi, are you denshi by any chance xD

also I do not think the date is in the article, but it is in the URL, if that helps at all :P

I am Denshi yeah. From denshi.org

What a coincidence _it really isn't_

It's a Hugo + Theme issue. I'll try to figure it out.

_forgets to set a boolean flag_

it's a deprecation thing and two different Hugo versions

not at all a boolean flag thing ;)

I was kidding... it was meant to be *funny*

_sigh_ I guess I am too funny for everyone else :P

:D alright

> Denshi wrote: > I am Denshi yeah. From denshi.org Nice. Hello. I got a notification that you uploaded a video about XMPP but I haven't watched it yet. 😁

> Nice. Hello. I got a notification that you uploaded a video about XMPP but I haven't watched it yet. 😁 This is not a Denshi fan club

It's often wise to not comment everything polarian

> It's often wise to not comment everything polarian Was this a moderation warning, or friendly advice?

struggling to tell the difference

also lovetox_ I think the issue might have been a combination of a client side bug and a server side bug. Openfire has issues with duplication of MAM messages, however what I believe was occuring was gajim trying to pull messages from the future and not knowing where to stick them, openfire then duplicated these messages, and gajim attempted to pull them, and I think this is the cause of the problem. Also gajim was eating all the resources trying to calculate where to stick messages, I guess sort messages by unix epoch and then wait until another timezone change and see if that fixes it 🙃

_well you could always set your system time one hour backwards and see how gajim adjusts to it_

But it does seem like the classic "packet from the future" meme

Does anyone know if Debian stable will get the 1.8.x series of Gajim? Its 1.7.3 right now

aura, Well considering it is Debian, you might see 1.8.x in.. 2 years?#

_at best_

lol

But in all reality Debian is slow... you will be waiting a while...

You could always pull the build files and then package the latest version for yourself

I know, just being a little hopeful. The other days I saw message about the debian package being updated minutes after official release..

only if the required GTK/GLib/other dependencies match

you can also get it from flathub: https://flathub.org/apps/org.gajim.Gajim

> only if the required GTK/GLib/other dependencies match ah yes, I forgot about the dependencies too

https://packages.debian.org/bookworm-backports/gajim

Why do people use Debian on the desktop anyways

> https://packages.debian.org/bookworm-backports/gajim How is TODAY for 2 years?

I was just about to send it

_well why do people use Debian at all_

Hello, I'm trying to figure out why every time I put my laptop to sleep, gajim just leaves all group chats I'm in and I have to rejoin it - meanwhile I'm still in these chats on other devices

> _well why do people use Debian at all_ In my almost a year a half of using Linux my desktop, laptop, or server has never “broken” due to any updates or “instability”, I have never had to debug, troubleshoot, or nuke and pave an issue on my desktop. That’s why I use it :)

Wael Karram, XMPP is designed around a persistent connection, once that connection is dropped you "disappear"

> > https://packages.debian.org/bookworm-backports/gajim > How is TODAY for 2 years? Yayy!

its a little like IRC

polarian: It wasn't like that, each time I have to manually rejoin

_XMPP developers are going to slam me for that comment_

IDK if it something I did change in the settings or what

Wael Karram, might be due to an ejabberd (server) bug

which service are you using?

> polarian: It wasn't like that, each time I have to manually rejoin Hm... I have had this a few times, it often occurs when the attempt to join times out the first time

I'm selfhosting my own prosody instance

Wifi sometimes takes a bit to connect and gajim doesn't always seem to reattempt to join once it fails a few times

Makes sense

I am sure the developers know more :D

Is there a way to change the timeout?

> In my almost a year a half of using Linux my desktop, laptop, or server has never “broken” due to any updates or “instability”, I have never had to debug, troubleshoot, or nuke and pave an issue on my desktop. That’s why I use it :) I could say the same for Arch Linux... never had an issue with stability, I have on Ubuntu before, ubuntu always breaks, always!

> > In my almost a year a half of using Linux my desktop, laptop, or server has never “broken” due to any updates or “instability”, I have never had to debug, troubleshoot, or nuke and pave an issue on my desktop. That’s why I use it :) > I could say the same for Arch Linux... never had an issue with stability, I have on Ubuntu before, ubuntu always breaks, always! I've given up on ubuntu they started pushing snap for everything - the bloody things doesnt even work all the time! Did a fresh install of 23.04, updated and rebooted. Now firefox wont launch - some error related to snap.

> I've given up on ubuntu they started pushing snap for everything - the bloody things doesnt even work all the time! Did a fresh install of 23.04, updated and rebooted. Now firefox wont launch - some error related to snap. Well snap backend is proprietary, a lot of people dislike snap

oh damn, i didnt know that its proprietary!

its a big battle which is best discussed elsewhere than this chatroom :D

hah i agree

> oh damn, i didnt know that its proprietary! Just the store part of it is, as far as I am aware.

https://askubuntu.com/a/1383586

> I could say the same for Arch Linux... never had an issue with stability, I have on Ubuntu before, ubuntu always breaks, always! Red team blue team

But didn’t Arch have that GRUB issue? :)

I just did a test, closing and opening the client causes the same issue - as in I am disconnected from all group chats and need to manually rejoin again

> But didn’t Arch have that GRUB issue? :) Arch has had quite a lot of issues in the past

including a bug which bricked all Arch installs at one point

Also we really shouldn't be using grub in 2023

especially if you are UEFI booting

> I just did a test, closing and opening the client causes the same issue - as in I am disconnected from all group chats and need to manually rejoin again Welp, I can't help, never had that issue before :D

> Also we really shouldn't be using grub in 2023 Why?

I know UEFI doesn’t need a “secondary boot loader”

But it is still nice to have

Wael Karram, please open Accounts -> Server Info -> Features

and paste it here

the problem is that Gajim cannot store the information in which rooms you are joined on the server

we just need to find out why

Server Software: Prosody 0.12.4 https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/c884d68e-44fb-4623-93a8-cf22cd2f7a00

ok thats good, btw you might want to raise the HTTP Upload limit

10 MB is really small for todays world

can you enable debug logging in Preferences -> Advanced, then restart your client

and rejoin one room

end Gajim, and look into the log for errors around the time you joined the MUC

Now it seems to work

Partially anyhow, some groupchats it does join others not

BTW, if 10MB is small, what is the recommendation nowadays?

A compromise of What you generally need and what you can afford for your server

I see

I stick mine to 1GB

xD

http uploads do not last that long anyways

lovetox, it appears there is two of you :P

cal0pteryx, https://gajim.org/post/2023-10-29-gajim-1.8.2-released/ when was the screenshot taken

I can see me getting mentioned -_-

lovetox: Thanks it seems to be working now, I'll check the logs later if it repeats itself

beware if you have a second client like a smartphone

and you leave a groupchat on the smartphone

gajim will not rejoin it on next start

Oh that is clear

I meant for stuff which syncs correctly on other clients

nice MS Store gathers stats on the App

Since June 3900 installs over ms store

ah no wait, its 1500 (1.8.0) and 1200 (1.8.1) installs

https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/bhhA3NbK7gNPOQHI/51208f00-d93b-4eae-ba07-f3a9b1621074.png

> cal0pteryx, https://gajim.org/post/2023-10-29-gajim-1.8.2-released/ when was the screenshot taken polarian: for 1.8.1 I guess ↺

oof

I am famous \o/

jk jk

on flathub it seems we have around ~1200 users

4800 exe Installer Downloads in september

(on the website)

nicoco, something with chatstates in MUC seems broken, funny only with your user

in xsf chat i see you constantly typing

lovetox: I’m using beagle right now, maybe that’s why?

hm .. but gajim should end the typing stuff after x seconds

Yup indeed. Oopsie

so even if beagle is broken it should end

Except if beagle keeps on sending <composing> I guess, but that’s unlikely

but it doesnt

i checked the console

Huh! I didn’t notice such issue while using gajim since the MUC chat states commit. It worked fine for me so far. Open an issue and ping me, I guess? 😊

nicoco, please type something in xsf

hm saw no typing notifications now from you ..

> polarian wrote: >> Nice. Hello. I got a notification that you uploaded a video about XMPP but I haven't watched it yet. 😁 > This is not a Denshi fan club Denshi: Make your own fanclub chat and send me the link 🙏🏻

the closest I have is the Sabaudia chat for my band. I guess join that if you really want to

I'm not opening up another chat after what happened last time

I wrote a whole article about it

"The Social Consumer"

Denshi, you write controversial articles on a daily basis (almost), lets not go there.

you're overselling me. It's more like bi-monthly

We don't need to oversell you, you enter a chat room and everyone recognises you, and not in a good way for some

Denshi: Ok, I understand. ( about not opening another chat)

Hello. May I have some info on the gateway support in Gajim ? How now gateways are supported ?

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *af6ebc3a* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/af6ebc3a4888b4ecdb6b8f39fc9fec270e50ca0b > fix: DBusFileManager: Set self._proxy attribute on init Fixes #11668

Mario Sabatino: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/blob/master/ChangeLog

Is this group chat diversity friendly

> Mario Sabatino: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/blob/master/ChangeLog 👍

> Is this group chat diversity friendly var, yes apart from you... you aren't welcome... just you 😉

(I am kidding)

we are a diverse and inclusive community

UNLESS you say the J word

(Jingle cross-platform calling support)

What's the J word

var, Jingle

according to Denshi at least

it's because various people (including myself) joined this group chat to ask about Jingle calling support (like for Conversations and Movim)

Gajim only supports calls to other Gajim clients and Dino (though unencrypted)

> Gajim only supports calls to other Gajim clients and Dino (though unencrypted)

Gajim A/V has not worked in a long time

well reliably...

and no it doesn't work from gajim to dino, I tested that back in 1.7.x

It worked once, Dino devs tested it, but gajim isn't just for calling at the moment. It has other strengths.

> It worked once, Dino devs tested it, but gajim isn't just for calling at the moment. It has other strengths. what version

Don't know, did never care.

Something around the time dino got call support

that was years ago

chud, any update on that AV branch of yours? :)

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *56fdedb5* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/56fdedb572845038afda74bf9e65de26e700ea16 > imprv: Close main window when pressing Escape key Fixes #11543

cal0pteryx: I've been and still am busy with personal stuff and devote way less time to it than I wish. I thought it was basically ready when I realized it wouldn't work with Dino... that took quite some time to investigate and fix. I don't want to give any empty ETA this time, instead I'll just keep testing it, implement some things more cleanly (some parts of code are a huge mess still), and then just upload it and announce it here.

Oh and it'll definitely be just audio for now, no video.

chud: alright, thanks! Audio interop would be a big step forward already. A welcome one. Feel free to push your changes to some branch, that would allow for a peek :) I'm curious

Gajim on debian repo is 1.3.x but actualy we are in 1.8.x if don't wrong

cryptomobley, depends on the debian version

on whatever you use this might be true

"oldstable" a.k.a. "bullseye" a.k.a. "Debian 11" has 1.3.1, and 1.4.7 via backports.

"stable" a.k.a. "bookworm" a.k.a. "Debian 12" has 1.7.3, and 1.8.1 (soon 1.8.2) via backports.

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *6290b885* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/6290b885221386b0fa6169e1771094ef5e5a7dad > refactor: GroupchatRoster: Make it more resilient - Treat signal/event callbacks as public methods and check if contact is set - Make enable_sort() private - Disconnect settings signal on clear()