Gajim - 2023-10-30

cal0pteryx, wuts debacle?

umu: the person managing gajim's debian packages

What about on mint?

lovetox: 6.1, no resource for `slidge.example.org` - yes

6.2 - legacy identifiers with JID escaping, yes, usually. For some services, it's an integer, so no escaping needing. For others, there is a human-readable username, I try to use that if possible. For some networks, some IDs, notably groups are case-sensitive, so I used base32

6.3 - jabber:iq:gateway, yes. the current implementation is not great, but I have something. Actually, this is most useful for networks where you need a phone number to have an account. For whatsapp, the phone number is the JID localpart, so it's not very useful, but for signal or telegram, you need a phone number, but then your user ID is not that number, so that jabber:iq:gateway protocol is nice to use I think.

Congrats on the release! Too bad https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/merge_requests/988 didn't make it for the transport icon in MUCs. I didn't have feedback on this, I guess for biboumi it does some bad things? I didn't notice any.

nicoco: there will always be a next release :)

PMR: For Mint (i.e. Ubuntu) there is no maintainer I know of

hehe ofc there will be! ;-)

Isn't mint based off debian?

PMR: either way, no direct maintainer

When mint next synchronizes oldstable Debian...

cal0pteryx It was by chance that I saw the commit here and had some time at hand :-)

new release \o/

back to the previous topic I brought up on Sunday morning, gajim broke after the clock ticked past midnight, monocles IM did not have thie issue thus it is _most likely_ not a server issue. Are you sure there is no bugs when handling the timestamps of messages

sorry not past midnight

when the clock went back 1 hour

Gajim couldn't figure out how to put "old" messages which were actually new

so firstly sorting of messages is done by timestamp, surely it should be done by unix epoch?

I have added a single contact in Gajim, which is visible in my contact list, but without the message I wrote in the text field of "Add contact". My question: is this standard and I have to wait for the contact's feedback first? Or how can I see my message text?

That's a message only the contact sees

It's not a chat message

And I can't see this message on me either? That would mean I can only see my message when the contact has replied to me - right?

planeterde, the message you add when you add a contact, is like a greeting, a message that the contact sees when he gets your friend request. Like "Hi, thomas here, please add me"

thats not a chat message, you will never see that message again

if you want to send the contact a message, click the plus button in the top, type the contact name, and open a chat

Hi

I have a problem with password saved, every time I open gajim ask for the password Someone can help me ?

I am also curious about the issue polarian describes, but I haven't experienced it ✏

polarian: > gajim broke after the clock ticked past midnight What does that mean?

he gave some details some hours back

CryptoMobley, do you have a keyring installed?

like GnomeKeyring for example?

polarian, did you experience that messages where in the wrong order?

and was this for loading a new chat, or when live messages arrived?

lovetox, yes

the messages are in the wrong order

> CryptoMobley, do you have a keyring installed? Yep ↺

> lovetox‎ with $ gajim -l gajim.password=INFO output: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1296734

Gajim seems not be able to reach the keyring via dbus

what keyring have you installed?

how did you install Gajim?

lovetox, idk what keyring I have I installed Gajim by apt

ok, but you need a keyring, its a separate software, gajim does not depend on it

google keyring for your distribution

polarian, i think i found the problem

O.O

what is the issue?

sorry for not responding to all the mentions I have been pulling apart computers all day (also why I disconnected from the channel because my server was one of them) so I haven't found time to respond.

sorting seems not to consider the timezone

lovetox, the keyring is already installed

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *f2245248* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/f2245248b6ce316d6bffec3f685683799db68a85 > fix: GroupchatRoster: Check for contact before trying to load roster Fixes #11666

> sorting seems not to consider the timezone nice, I'm glad we caught this

what are these sentry events logged on sentry.io?

bug reports

are they the auto-generated ones from the whatever-it's-called (what is it called?) error detection thing?

i dont know any error detection thing

if there is an error you get displayed a error dialog

you can then chose to send the data, or not

that's what I'm talking about, I didn't know what it's called, if it has a name

maybe error dialog :D

so the auto-generated reports go to sentry.io? I always wondered. ✏

currently yes

so the auto-generated reports go to sentry.io? I always wondered where they go. ✏

we can chose a different error backend at any time

do they include coredumps?

only the data is sent which you see in the error dialog

lovetox, I don’t understand what the problem is about keyring

other software use it without problem

gajim cannot access your keyring, thats the problem

as it says in the error, the dbus service name is is not there

maybe you need to activate it in your keyring

hard to say when you dont tell us what keyring you use

lovetox, keyring - Python-Keyring command-line utility

and gnome-keyring

gnome-keyring-3 and gnome-keyring-deamon is installed in my OS

hm seems i read the errors wrong, it tries to use kwallet

which is expected to not work

try to start gajim from console like this

`PYTHON_KEYRING_BACKEND=keyring.backends.SecretService.Keyring gajim`

lovetox, still not work

can you again send the log

is the same error

https://paste.debian.net/plain/1296743

i need the top of the log file

that lists all keyrings and the priorities

is the top

you need to apply the same logging config as befoe

with $ gajim -l gajim.password=INFO

or simple -v

lovetox, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1296746

.... with the environment var set

PYTHON_KEYRING_BACKEND=keyring.backends.SecretService.Keyring gajim -v

lovetox: ?

btw what is your gajim version?

1.3.1

var you chose a good name for a software development channel :)

> PYTHON_KEYRING_BACKEND=keyring.backends.SecretService.Keyring gajim -v I send this before run gajim ✏ ↺

i dont think that works

also if I run with "PYTHON_KEYRING_BACKEND=keyring.backends.SecretService.Keyring gajim -v" same error

yeah but i need the log !!

lovetox, too many output to send on paste service

i need only the linkes from the top where it lists the keyring backends

PYTHON_KEYRING_BACKEND=keyring.backends.SecretService.Keyring gajim -l gajim.password=INFO

do this then

lovetox, I think I have solved by changing the parameter in the settings uses global key ring

Now the passwords where are saved?

global keyring?

i dont know such setting

in advanced setting

Now I doubt whether the passwords are saved

ok my time is out for today

oh boy this timestamp stuff will be a big refactor

> oh boy this timestamp stuff will be a big refactor dang

luckily the problem will not happen again for a year :d

and who is up at 3 o clock in the morning anyway

lovetox: does this issue also happen when travelling and the client's timezone changes because of that?

no, the problem is that we dont use a timezone for sorting

hence timestamps between summer and wintertime exists twice

but this is only a UI thing

in the database everything is utc

> luckily the problem will not happen again for a year :d Actually, for North America, DST ends on Nobember 5th. https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2023.html ✏

O.O

well then a trail two 👀

find an American who is willing to stay up all night haha