Gajim - 2023-10-17

what horseshit are you huffing today, j4

pass some to me

i need the flavour of the month

who is j4

what ru talking ab

maybe opal is already well into the huffing, pass that good shit here compa opal! I want a turn too.

i havent died yet

/exhales and escapes with happiness and joy

uncancelable by law

i would comment on this exchange but i might get booted

oh im not naming names, this is all good fun pmr

PMR, good point, thanks.

then in good fun i say this is some silly chatting for a dev channel

:D

then again i'm not going to say this is discord where some power tripping lard can come down and tell people to quit it

hopefully

ah nah we know our place where it matters

PMR, right you are.

speaking of, does gajim have a roadmap?

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/milestones

releases are called milestones?

milestones for the releases in question

wait who was using AVIF i've never even heard of that file type

do people really use anything beyond jpeg png and even gif commonly?

webp is all the rage somehow

webp always breaks for me and you can just rename it to png and it usually works

its over

> do people really use anything beyond jpeg png and even gif commonly? @PMR yes i use webp, webm and avif

webm isn't really what i'd consider an "image" format

although i didn't say that but i thought it was assumed

still besides that, why webp or avif

its better

saves up storage

newer technology

suspicious

amogus

>you can just rename it to png and it usually works thats your filetype associations doing that

set the same viewer for .webp filetype

and update libwebp, there was a recent vuln

Does storage matter for images less then a megabyte usually? or are you saving huge images

webp is just a flexible format with a simple api, thats the pro of it

the con is it isnt mature

he was talking about avif i think in regards to better storage and newer technology

not that something being newer is inherently better.

then again maybe it's different in regards to people who actually make images using it, instead of just saving others stuff

ah i kinda dont think about avif, never really come across it

yeah theres a difference between portable graphics and intermediate-format graphics

if a digital camera saves only jpegs its probably shit

i dont remember which but i think it may be jpeg that lots of colors bloats the file size

whereas with png it'll be a fraction

the inverse

png's good for screenshots with lots of solid and reused colours

thanks for publicly announcing shit nobody cares about

yeah i remember some images being horribly bloated in file size on one of them

each has their use i guess

does gajim have a file size limit for avatars or support animated ones?

> thanks for publicly announcing shit nobody cares about 🤣️😂️👌️ ↺

PMR, when I convert a photo from .jpg to .png, the filesize often increases. There maybe configuration that can reduce it.

yeah but there's less blurryness on pngs

>does gajim have a file size limit for avatars or support animated ones? xmpp itself will have those limits

unless stuff has changed drastically

i mean im sure there's ways to have a good phot in each with fiddling , maybe

svg avatars have the benefit of inline embedding... hm

cool

> yeah but there's less blurryness on pngs Yeah true. ↺

then again you could use a gif for a static image, but im not sure the benefits

> >does gajim have a file size limit for avatars or support animated ones? > xmpp itself will have those limits sometimes you forget gajim is just an interface for xmpp

onramp? not sure the word

re: does size matter for small images, for home-hosting it does; for a gigabit pipe 500k vs 1M is little practical difference until you're dealing with thousands of people, but on 20Mbps it's quite significant

megabits versus megabytes is one of the greatest scams isps commit

i didn't even know that until recently

>sometimes you forget gajim is just an interface for xmpp i cant forget because i see bugs that should never ever ever happen even in buggy software

speaking of, gajim doesn't have automatic gif playback, that's intended right?

click it and it xdg-opens

yeah i noticed, just wondering if that would be possible

possible yes

we already have message redactions for mods who cant take heat :3

are you talking about spoilered text?

deleted messages

wiht a tombstone replacement should your client support it, and gajim does

huh, i don't think i've ever seen that

i see italic and bold but no spoilered text, though

i just saw it inflicted upon myself earlier :)

is that just not in there? or is it somewhere else

~test~

you can't delete other people's messages because you aren't a moderator

No no not that

i mean spoilered text

i didnt mean spoilered text

i'm wondering if that's in gajim or not

xmpp used to have basic htnml formatting

html*

everyone decided that was too much of a hassle

xmpp has a long fruitful past

i guess not, that kind of sucks

you would think spoilered text would be a basic function

you would think discord expats would be basic people

any features you specifically would like in gajim that's not there yet?

if i have any then i can submit patches just like every other dev

thats why im here

is it a group consensus on what gets in?

it's whoever writes the code and cares to maintain it

that's how foss succeeds

many of its users give back

wouldn't something poorly coded get rejected if it doesn't fit the programs scope?

and some of us have a perverted sense of humour and like doing a little trolling anyway

or would it just get forked into a different version

if it's poor code you'll probably get comments on how to fix it

i always test stuff myself to see if it works

so you would accept community contributions? or is it only among the mods

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/merge_requests

create an account and go ham

if you really want to figure it out

Just wondering, but that's good to know that user submissions are accepted

welcome to foss

Is gajim under GPL 3.0 or whatever? or does that not apply to this type of program

in this particular case youre right

To it not applying? or it being GPL

I may be over asking questions, in which case i aplogize.

gajim doesn't work when sending 5gb files btw

it's over

Like using Python?

PMR: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/blob/master/COPYING?ref_type=heads

hello, I’m with gajim 1.8.1 on Linux. Is it possible to connect using BOSH, or Websocket ? If so, how ?

Hello

Cyrille: no, but I guess you need that because of some firewall problem?

You can configure a server to use port 443 for xmpps ✏

Cyrille: websocket is possible but you have to configure your server correctly so it can be discovered

yes that’s the reason

I use jabber.fr, there is ws.jabberfr.org that uses websocket

how can I tell gajim to try websocket first ? (I suppose the jabber.fr server is correctly configured)

when I’m at certain workplace, my xmpp connection is refused (port blocked)

$ curl -L https://jabber.fr/.well-known/host-meta <?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?> <XRD xmlns='http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/xri/xrd-1.0'> <Link rel='urn:xmpp:alt-connections:xbosh' href='https://bosh.jabberfr.org/'/> <!--<Link rel='urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket' href='wss://ws.jabberfr.org/'/>--> </XRD> --- Found info in XEP-156. It’s commented, so it seems it’s not enabled…

I’ve found info here : https://wiki.jabberfr.org/JabberFR but maybe that’s not the case anymore…

Account connection - hostname

yes… and I put what there ? ws.jabberfr.org ?

or wss://ws.jabberfr.org/ url ?

The second

ok I try right now

And direct tls

ok

which port ?

silly question sorry

443 I guess

yes websocket is improved http

slow but working !!

thank you, I wouldn’t have find the right thing to put to connect via websocket

👍️

so now I can still be connected at work, thanks a lot

maybe some UI improvement could be done in that popup

Cyrille: gajim chose websocket automatically when no other connection method works

But I'm unsure if jabber.fr has discovery configured correctly

yes misconfigured, they list bosh (not supported by gajim) and … not websocket. I mean, it’s there, but within xml comments, so for gajim it’s not there

We had an issue with Converse which failed to connect with WebSocket.

That’s why it’s currently disabled.

Could you check if the latest version of Converse works?

It’s the web client we host on our website.

yes I can check that

conversejs uses the .well-known discovery method only. I guess Gajim can also do the DNS version?

the DNS version is easier to add, so the jabber.fr admins might do it if you ask nicely

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *3f24fd56* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/3f24fd563cc2a0098944a743d36bc0462b5171a6 > fix: NotificationManager: Update actions if online state changes Fixes #11642

Kris : https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html you can find in §4: « Entities that use these connection methods MUST only fetch host-meta over Transport Layer Security (TLS), and MUST only use 'https' or 'wss' URLs that are protected using TLS. A previous version of this XEP defined a DNS method to look up this info using a TXT _xmppconnect record, this was insecure and has been removed. »

ah, right. I remember now

sorry for the mis-info

no problem, it made me read the whole rfc/xep

about conversejs, I, then, cannot test it with the server I used, because its well-known host-meta file only list bosh method (even if websocket is working too)

if conversejs allows me to override host-meta info then, yes I can check

you can manually configure it, but then it doesn't use XEP-0156 ✏

yes, but I can test if websocket with jabber.fr works, so that LinkMauve can uncomment websocket part in host-meta file of jabber.fr

Is there some online web tool which checks if xmpp websocket is available and working?

Link Mauve ça semble très bien fonctionner

Link Mauve je suis connecté via conversjs là

Link Mauve en websocket

Ok, je laisse ça comme ça alors. :)

Link Mauve blabla

what determines the fact that left-clicking text and raising it above the current line does not select the whole line in gajim? ✏

what determines the fact that left-clicking text and raising the cursor above the current line does not select the whole line in gajim? ✏

it's more complex than that, but it works differently from most applications

for example, attempting this on a single-line post in the chat view will not work

I guess it's because the location of the cursor has to be a text input area, maybe this is actually normal

because there is only one line

i would guess

not sure what you mean exactly

i have a text editor here, and raising the mouse above the line would only select everything if the cursor jumps to the next line and select everything

It varies by application. With the Featherpad editor, you can type text on the first line and it works to click, raise the cursor, and select all text to the left. ✏

It also works in firefox for the first line with a text file ✏

yes true, i can reproduce this with firefox

its simply not a feature with GTK input boxes as it seems

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *e126f7ba* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/e126f7ba4fc328f3388963fc8c0bb3a9fd2350a4 > fix: Chatstates: Remove timeout id on remote timeout

Opening the 'Modify Accounts' menu is slow for me. It seems like it's doing something more than generating the list of accounts. Is this right?

anyway, it seems like it might make more sense to just make the list of accounts, then load additional account menu settings when that account is selected, for performance

fjklp: start by debugging what takes long to load for you. It loads instantly for me

I have a fair number of accounts

but I know it shouldn't take long to load 20 account names or whatever

it takes over 2 seconds to load the menu. I would expect that only loading account names would be instant even if there are 100 accounts. ✏

python moment

yes all the widgets are generated when the window is opened

so the more accounts the slower it goes

but on the other hand, is having 20 acconts added to gajim really necessary

so yes of course we could optimize this, but much work for very little people

and the only benefit would be to load the window 1 second faster

i see no upside to the current way

it exists?

that yes

but thats it, it exists and works, to change something we have to invest time

and this time is weight against the benefit

I understand

it looks like new chats are not searchable until after gajim is restarted. Is this a bug or a design decision?

new chats?

a groupchat?

I tested with a groupchat

sounds like a bug

gajim crashes when u send files that r really big

4 GB

or so

its over

umu, jingle file transfers don't work reliably in gajim, regardless of file size

i mean

http

upload downlaod file preview thingo

it crashes even if u hab file previews disabled

not crashes but

gives error and makes it so ur gajim gets really slow!!!

im trying to send training data to my friend of the project we're working on and its like NOPE

even with file previews disabled 2 its the wierdest thing

umu, I doubt you're using http upload, since your provider would have to support files that big (only very few do)

gajim uses jingle file transfers automatically, if the server doesn't support files of that size

jingle is used as a fallback here. you can easily check that http upload limit by looking at your server info window -> features tab -> (XEP-0363)

you would probably have to send these large files by other means, i.e. another platform

or try Dino, see if it works for 5 GB files ;)

> jingle is used as a fallback here. you can easily check that http upload limit by looking at your server info window -> features tab -> (XEP-0363) I didn't know that it's shown there. Also you can hover your pointer over the Send File button to show a tooltip with the limit for your currently used account

you might be able to use split to get around limits if you want to bother

I am having trouble sending a "note to myself" between Gajim and Monal. Messages from Monal appear in Gajim, but messages from Gajim do not appear in Monal.

Any ideas on how to fix this? I don't know if it's an issue with Gajim, Monal, or the server.

It's a Snikket server.

do you get a warning icon next to messages posted in gajim?

I just got that for one of my accounts in the Note to Self, but I don't know why. It has the info "service-unavailable", but another account on the same server allows to send these notes. ✏

No, I don't get a warning. And Gajim <-> Dino works, so I guess my issue is with Monal. ✏

Am I right to conclude that messages related to a deleted account are retained, but are not searchable within gajim?

it looks like you can only export chat from currently-existing chats too, unless done with external tools

i was wondering how can i find other chats/severs in gejim? do i look them up or?

at the top left portion of the screen there is a + button, press that, then 'Start Chat', then enter text you want to search, then press the globe icon to the right of the text input ✏

I believe that search uses search.jabber.network, but there are other websites that index known group chats ✏

Linuxhelptipsxmpp: I'm assuming you were looking for chats to join and not a server to setup an account

yes

and thanks

i found some alright.

I wonder if 'Join / Create Chat' or 'Join or Create Chat' might be a better label than 'Start Chat', since a user might be thinking that 'Start Chat' is not what they want to do

Is anyone here knowledgeable about GTK 3 ? The Tip/Hint text at the top of the Start Chat dialog is not readable in Adwaita Dark theme and in some other dark themes because they change the text to white, but most dark themes do not change the text. I'm not sure whether to consider this a bug with Adwaita Dark or gajim, but I think it would be good to fix it.