Gajim - 2023-10-04

it would probably make sense to add a button to the media previews to 'open in external application', which just does something like `xdg-open`

oh, I see that it's already possible with the audio player by clicking the icon, but that's kind of hidden

> Marzanna: got some ooshtebrooks? bodqhrohro: i have to buy some

> Let's better fork that revolution client and make it support both OMEMO and OMEMO 2 (we already attempted, but it's not worth doing really, easier to ignore it as it lacks many features anyway). we can try to implement OMEMO2 as an encryption plugin for Gajim, but OMEMO2 (it"s version 0.8, why it is called 2 by the way?) still considered as Experimental and may change specs at any time. ↺

2 is just an informal name since some of the internals change significantly over earlier versions

its not informal is it? i always thought it refered to the namespace

I think it is relatively stable. Only if people are discovering issues with it, the specs will change. And only if there are implementations people can discover issues with it.

It's not called "2" btw, it's still called OMEMO.

Yeah, "2" is just part of the namespace, but that's a technical detail

And 0.8 is the version of the spec, nothing to do with the namespace

afaik there was a consensus between major xmpp client developers that they will stick to eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl namespace until final stabilization of xep00384 and it is still in experimental yet

I doubt it

so i see no reason wasting time to implement experimental spec

Not sure where you're getting your info ✏

yeah of course peoplew want to implement omemo2

lmao

from developers

but we dont have money trees :)

> but we dont have money trees :) we have ↺

but it does not help

bounty of 10000$ for implementing DTLS-SRTP calls still active

3 months, 0 results

by the way, working on better XMPP clients for iOS/Android also. always can check out https://dev.narayana.im/explore/repos (nb: iOS still in WIP)

> bounty of 10000$ for implementing DTLS-SRTP calls still active You keep saying that, but you never provide any source to this claim. Who is made this bounty? ↺

> 3 months, 0 results I am already making audio calls from gajim actually, but very limited and buggy still, so more time needed (also quite busy with life sry) ↺

>> bounty of 10000$ for implementing DTLS-SRTP calls still active > You keep saying that, but you never provide any source to this claim. Who is made this bounty? what source do you need? ↺

should I mention our company to get banned again?

or what?

something that isn't some random person making random claims on a chat

> should I mention our company to get banned again? Wdym again ↺

make a blog post on your companies website for example

okay, I'm from Estonian privacy-based telecom company, Narayana, we don't have any blogs or PR posts, but do have git instance.

https://dev.narayana.im

I guessed so much.

we are working on bringing better experience for Jabber users, to make it less smell open-source and more end-user ready

and yes, we have money.

idk whats the problem

anyways, but the bounty somewhere more permanent where it can be linked and is somewhat reputable, then the next XSF newsletter can mention it

you can also post it on xmpp.work ✏

thank you for link, didn't even know it is exist

>> should I mention our company to get banned again? > Wdym again I've got banned by someone few years ago when posted a link to our git instance with OTR plugin (for old gajim version that way) and got kicked from this conference because of "adv spam" ↺

idk was it intentionally or not. (understoodable by the way, we're commercial company after all, and even link to our dev hub may be regarded as advertisiment, so no whining at all) ✏

if it is xmpp related? I think the problem might have been an unkown user posting random links without explaining much.

looks like spam

> if it is xmpp related? I think the problem might have been an unkown user posting random links without explaining much. I have no idea does it related to XMPP If someone in Gajim conference posting a link to encryption plugin for Gajim ↺

lmao

moderators usually don't have time or motivation to investigate if something that has all the hallmarks of spam, might not be spam after all 🤷‍♂️️

that's why I said this was totally understoodable

just asked your question "wdym again"

anyways... great that you are willing to sponsor this work, but you are doing a poor job at promoting this bounty, so no wonder you have no people interested

I could for example imaging goffi might be interested in it, given he is a python dev and is currently working on the same thing for another fund. so once that is finished later this year, it might be interesting as a easy follow up

but I highly doubt he ever became aware of this offer

(working on the same thing for another xmpp client)

Kris: who is goffi?

libervia dev

> I could for example imaging goffi might be interested in it, given he is a python dev and is currently working on the same thing for another fund. so once that is finished later this year, it might be interesting as a easy follow up Which client? ↺

> anyways... great that you are willing to sponsor this work, but you are doing a poor job at promoting this bounty, so no wonder you have no people interested how can I make this better? ↺

They told you ann contact xsf to post it somewhere

Post it somewhere that has a real web-address that can be shared in a newsletter

and explain in it a bit the background so that it doesn't look like some random xmpp user posting.

Also mention payment modalities... being EU based helps for devs also EU based I guess

goffi, the Libervia dev is indeed maybe interested, but only in a few weeks the earliest

ann, xmpp:libervia@chat.jabberfr.org?join

I can also give you the direct contact details if you prefer that

Hi ! What is going on with Gajim on Ubuntu KDE : it crashes during file uploading. On other clients (even Gajim on Arch e.g.) it works flawlessly. Some python error. Anyone experences this also ? THanks for your help in advance

mainsection, do you have a stacktrace at hand?

about which Gajim version are we talking?

not at the moment but it was equivalent with https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/10137

it is only in Ubuntu, not Windows, not Arch

Does gajim suport extdisco? Grepping extdisco doesn't find anything. But then how does it find ICE servers for calls/file transfers if not via extdisco?

Also jingle_rtp.py tries to access `connection._stun_servers` but I don't see it defined anywhere at all, neither does pycharm or grep. Is it just broken?

i willg ive you my original trace this evening. Regards

mainsection: since the issue you pointed to has been fixed, I need to ask what gajim version you're using?

just a moment, I send you the trace with all information

## Versions: https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/8426a490-205f-47b7-a287-0493d242d89c

mainsection: looks like this one: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11549

and it's apparently fixed in 1.7.3

thanks

the easiest way to get the latest gajim is probably flatpak, and you can migrate your existing install using https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/tree/master/flatpak#migrate-your-data

nicoco, not rather in nbxmpp 4.2.2?

meson: well, maybe, I just reported what was commented on the issue :)

chud: we don't use ice

But yes we can parse extdisco

> But yes we can parse extdisco Can you point me to a module or smth that does it? I can't find so much as a mention of its xmlns ↺

chud: I don't think you'll find many xmlns in gajim's repo, they would be in https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/

xep-0128 does not have its own namespace AFAIK, it's a data form (xep-0004) as a child of disco#info (xep-0030)

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/blob/master/nbxmpp/modules/discovery.py#L86

that's just disco, not extdisco (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0215.html)

thats extended disco

what we assumed you meant by "extdisco"

oh.. ok sorry for my ambiguity

so the answer is no, gajim does not support xep-0215

Hello. Just wanted to share an issue I'm facing.

I added an XMPP account and then Removed it

But the `omemo_....db` associated with that account is not deleted from `~/.local/share/gajim`

is this intended behavior?

there is no code to remove it, if thats what your asking

but yes, i would see this as useful, it should be removed ✏

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *13438f67* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/13438f676d39079d30d705502755591ccd3170f5 > imprv: Accounts: Be more consistent with chat state settings

nicoco, i see in some of your MRs you use a label with an emoji to display a icon Lets not do this, some reasons for this are - we have no dependency on emoji fonts - we cant control what font the user uses and how that looks in the GUI (width / height / colors)

Oh OK, I’m a GUI noob and try to learn. What icons should I use? Is there a list of ‘standard’ icon names? Or should I try and add a svg in the icons/hicolor/scalable dir?

Besides that, do you think that a ‘bot’ icon is a good idea? Maybe placed somewhere else?

svg files?

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _python-nbxmpp_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp >: *922813c8* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/922813c89949cebb038bffda7cd81b15ab1ae7b1 > feat: Add DiscoInfo.has_identity()

Oh I guess these commits answered my question, you do think it’s useful, I also thought that this needed to be factored

yes i also saw that we dont really check the category for phone

we only check the type

in practice this probably never leads to a problem, but in theory it could

nicoco: there is a gtk3 icons browser. We use symbolic versions of those. If this set is not satisfactory, we search within the "feather" iconset, and add the ones we like. Note that thise need to be special-treated if added as png (to support light/dark mode), there is a gtk tool to convert those icons.

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _python-nbxmpp_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp >: *f85d3c95* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/f85d3c952b546d4cd3626565fa30877415d4cf65 > cfix: Fix indentation