Gajim - 2023-08-29

cynical: I still use 1.3 as a primary client too, now what?

loveskype, epic :)

bodqhrohro's been doing a little trolling

I have promoted the ability to do this as a Jabber benefit for a long time.

I know a few purely role-playing MUCs, where people use their primary JIDs and don't need to keep additional accounts, can you imagine this in Telegram or so?

on a 1:1 chat, does gajim show the 'composing' chat state?

asking because i can't seem to get my slixmpp bot to send the composing state

just wondering if i'm too blind to see it

Ben Sima: it does, in the top banner, right next to ypur contact's name

Hello! is there a possibility to alter the appearance of my own name in the chat window? It's always in lower case, i'd like to change that...

In the profile dialog

I had a look there, but I didn't find it...

ah sorry, I have it now.

does gajim only use icons from a specific icon set? for example, the pencil icon.

I'm wondering what the criteria would be for suggesting alternative icons

with the profile page, there is a pencil icon and text right below it, so I naturally associate the pencil with the text, but the pencil is for the image selection

stefan: is this what you experienced?

I would bet that I'm not the only person to have that problem

I think it could benefit by having a different icon instead of the pencil and maybe moving the profile name down some would make the trash can and image picker icon would be more readily associated with the avatar ✏

what is the problem? the nick is in a editable field

you click into it and change the text

if you click the pencil you learn its for the avatar

I guess I don't have the habit of clicking things that I assume are not the thing I want

lovetox: https://blog.brixit.nl/the-end-of-the-nice-gtk-button/ > I feel like the designers of this new theme have never sit down with anyone who's not a "techie" to explain to them how to use a computer. While a lot of people now instinctively hunt for labels that have hover effects, for a lot of people who are just not represented in online computer communities because they're just using the computer as a tool this is completely weird. I have had to explain to people tons of times that the random word in the UI somewhere in an application is actually a button they can press to invoke an action.

Libadwaita is wrong on multiple levels at once. Not only is it a shitty theme, but why does it enforce a theme to begin with? Also why is it even a separate library lol Looks like the works of someone aiming for job security

If I need a one shot notification on contacts' presence-update, how can I do it with existing notification related methods?

clown: a cargo cult of Mac OS X under the Jobs rule.

They did steal unpacking archives instead of opening recently, it's getting pretty obvious already. ✏

https://www.wired.com/2002/10/the-mac-os-that-cant-be-tweaked/

> clown: a cargo cult of Mac OS X under the Jobs rule. I think it's more of a mobile phone cult. I don't know macos that much but it doesn't seem *as* bad from the little time I spent using it. I mean at leasf it doesn't have those absurdly huge titlebars and other gui elements ↺

clown: in part, yeah, and the significant part of GNOME contributors is also working on some FOSS shells for slatephones.

kurion, look into events.Notification

. ✏

lovetox, why when you realeased Gajim 1.4.0 you didnt used GTK 4 ?

why would i? because there is a 4 in the version number? or what are you trying to say?

astanad_: it rather had to be Gajim 2 then. Gajim 0 did use GTK+2, Gajim 1 is using GTK+3.

lovetox: Thanks. it works now.

But I find that events.Notification doesn't have a timeout that can be specified

yes we dont need that

also there is no timeout option on linux

Philipp Hörist pushed 8 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/a999f83d-ca8c-4f23-8787-cf4b5fcf3b59

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *9c3b34be* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/9c3b34bef0cf5a7e0ea72a0190ebde8dc12f42e3 > fix: View: Add newline after username when copying a message Fixes #11610

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _python-nbxmpp_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp >: *58e4c275* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/python-nbxmpp/-/commit/58e4c2758c783b8ffe01c4525c9c569d4393364d > release: 4.3.3

I connected 'presence-update' signal to a new function in roster.py

the function obviously draws the updated contact in the roster and also send a notification

but I noticed that this sends two notification for each `presence-update` ✏

I tested with a print statement

the connected function is invoked two times per contact resource.

why might this be happening?

> lovetox: yes we dont need that, also there is no timeout option on linux I see a countdown timer (maybe 5 seconds) circle on new message notifications in linux.

the timer runs until I hover over the notification or click it.

I would like to reduce this timeout

oh just saw the `'notification_timeout': [opt_int, 5]` in config.py.

1. config.py is not used

2. its only for windows

3. if you are on linux, its not Gajim that sets the countdown, its your system

lovetox: Oh, I see. I should find my system notification settings. Thanks for the clarifications.

when a contact updates their presence-state do we get two responses per update?

don't know why my presence-update handler in roster.py is invoked two times per update.

maybe you connected multiple times?

otherwise set a breakpoint

and type w, to see the path where the call comes from

my test contacts are on Psi+ and Gajim. when one of them changes presence, my handler in roster.py is invoked

I will try the breakpoint approach

did you check if there a maybe are 2 presences sent?

where and how can I check it?

xml console

debug logs

I set a breakpoint above my handler

It only drops me into Pdb the first time it is invoked.

I continued and while Gajim is running, I changed a contact' presence. ✏

but it didn't drop into Pdb for each call.

I think I need to set the breakpoint INSIDE the handler, not above it.

tried out the breakpoint approach ✏

diffing showed that callstack for the two invokations are the same ✏

so looks like you connected your handler multiple times

in the XML console, only one presence response is shown per presence update

I see that the line `self._connect_contact_signals(contact)` appears two times in roster.py

once inside `_initial_draw` and second time in `_on_roster_push`

does it mean all the connections in `def _connect_contact_signals` happened twice?

after some testing now I see that all four connections in `_connect_contact_signals` happened twice. ✏

the contact rows in the roster gets drawn twice for each of the four signals.

is it safe to remove the line `self._connect_contact_signals(contact)` from `_on_roster_push`?

hmm, seems you are right, on first look this looks wrong

i look into it

Philipp Hörist pushed 2 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *3ad879c7* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/3ad879c742ace62976969830e56ae8dabbbec937 > fix: Observable: Don’t allow to register handler multiple times *7079a5ac* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/7079a5ac5d8fc691bdb5b707e976518c4d3b6d15 > fix: Roster: Unregister all handlers on destroy

kurion, ^ these two commits should fix the problem

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *a18e577c* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/a18e577c5be863810cef88f6a3020d78d3224a26 > fix: Modules: Make sure BaseModule.cleanup() is always called on destroy

I'm on a very low bandwidth (budget) plan. I'd like to be able to tell gajim not to download an image before it starts downloading it (when it's figuring stuff out)

you mean in single chat?

Also.. I have cancelled a download mid-way, I switched tabs and came back and the download started again :((

Yes

we dont store state like cancelled

I guessed :P

if you are on low bandwidth, your only option is to disable previews

in preferences

i could see a option that makes it behave the same as in groupchats

so that you have to press a button for all previews

Does it disable "automated" preview? Or any preview

Well no it's ok not to have to click in general

For contacts at least

ahh

i just discovered checkout the filesize limit dropdown

it has a option "no automatic preview"

this means you get the download button for all images

It still GETs to see size and all?

hm yes

but that should be no problem or?

if you dont want to do any GET request, you need to disable preview in general

then you will only see a link

Ok. Yeah no it's just not useful

your problem statement was, bandwith

Sure sure

Don't get hung up on words :)

so what you meant was no GET request

yeah then you have to disable preview in general

No I did mean bandwidth, it's ok

I just imagined there was a magical thing that would do that for me instead of me having to go into preferences, and yeah also remember manual cancels would be great :)

(This doesn't require an answer)

we could get rid of the GET request, if we support something like XEP-0447 and clients actually use it

hmm. isn't that a chicken-and-egg problem? I mean, if clients don't use it, no clients have any reason to implement it?

would be nice if someone takes a first step...

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *01bebd9a* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/01bebd9a5621a9f12796fc9f558232095c8f279a > fix: CSSConfig: Fix parsing float sizes for font description

For metered connection, maybe https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/-/issues/42 could be implemented, though not sure there is much that can be disabled

is this a thing in europe?

ah i see, seems you need to set this on your OS network connection

but one needs to set it manually on the connection i think