Gajim - 2023-08-25

possibly odd question, but will gajim ever have proper streaming 1-1 support for person to person or even in groups?

streaming of...?

Anything, a browser window or a game maybe

maybe streaming is the wrong word, broadcasting

or sharing

Oh, you mean screen sharing

ah

yes

I finally found a well-polished GTK+3 theme which modern Gajim looks nice with, hehe: http://0x0.st/H9eh.png

Hehe, joined this MUC from another JID and now Gajim refuses to display the history here.

And the outgoing messages go to another chat tab. Seems like Gajim confuses them now as I joined with the same nick.

(was surprised GTK+3 still allows to reorder scrollbar buttons, BTW)

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/tnNQEDMsBV20TvW5fQ1QqqlS/2023-08-25-121833_1920x1200_scrot.png

I suppose it's a side effect of virtualizing the chat view instead of keeping separate widgets for every chat tab and switching them?

This one is nice too.

https://im.ebala.net:5821/upload/EhxTF5IxblyUFcYoe9zNGZvq/2023-08-25-123730_1920x1200_scrot.png

Notice the carved timestamps especially, pretty nice.

> yes That requires moderning the call capabilities of gajim first. maybe it can be done after though

i would like to replace jitsi with gajim for that too

bodqhrohro, youre making me miss scrollbars :<

opal: it makes me want to sit right down and cry, cry, cry, yeah! https://modarchive.org/module.php?39913

Hopefully an easy question. How do you change the description (or topic, or whatever it is called) or a room? IIRC in pidgin it was just '/topic <new description'

swilson: Should be possible with one af the buttons and the room settings at the right of the text entry field.

I accidentally corrupted my Gajim history db file: `sqlite3.DatabaseError: database disk image is malformed`. Is there a convenient way to repair it without using a third-party sqlite database tool?

zak: why would you even expect a non-UNIX-way way to repair it?

Because sometimes I still hope that some people try to ease the usability in Linux without refering to technical solutions that only it professionals can use.

And by the way this could totally happen on windows as well.

sadly linux is still in the 70's with terminals :/

zak: there's nothing counter-usable in installing tools that do a certain task and do it well.

MSavoritias (fae,ve): I'd say it's a benefit, and GUIs are a dead end of evolution. Home appliances, voice assistants, chat bots are clearly closer to CLI than to GUI, and they are the brand new era of user interfaces. Navigating the widgets is always a pain, especially for the elderly, and instructions to make anything in GUI, being series of screenshots depending on numerous conditions and failing elsewhy, are just hilarious.

The only point where Gajim can be wrong here is not actually _suggesting_ such a tool. Like a pre-installed package in Ubuntu does when some command is not found, but it's known what package is it in. ✏

> I accidentally corrupted my Gajim history db file zak: how did that happen?

I started Gajim from two different hosts using the same home directory. It would be nice if Gajim could just remove corrupted db entries or ignore them.

There rather should be some kind of lock file to prevent it at all.

Thunderbird has it, AFAIK.

Chromium too.

Still unsure how to set a room's topic (or description or whatever). I checked out the buttons to the right of the text entry field, but that's just 'send', 'attach file' and some encryption stuff

you click the three lines on the bottom right next to the lock

and then click details

then its on the manage category

I do not have three line son the bottom right next to the lock. using the windows client if that matters

what version?

newest, installed from store yesterday But... I found it. Upper right, above list of chat room participants. inside 'Contact Details and Settings'

ah my version is too old ^^'

Top right menu has the room settings

Are the release tarballs signed?

swilson, one CTRL + I

Manage page

goblinking, no

Does Gajim 1.8.1 still use libsoup2??

I've looked at closed issues and it seems it's a "distribution problem" now - but I compiled from source.

goblinking, no

So... does a plugin use it? Because my setup is crashing every time someone tries calling.

calling code is mostly unmaintained, but you can report the crash log then we can look into it

There really is not much to see, just `libsoup3 symbols detected. Using libsoup2 and libsoup3 in the same process is not supported.`

How could I determine what, exactly, is trying to use libsoup2?

``` ~ wowaname@mahin> grep -r libsoup /usr/lib/python3.*/site-packages/gajim /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/gajim/common/app.py: # GUPnPidg uses libsoup3 which is incompatible with Gajim. /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/gajim/common/app.py: # Don’t load until Gajim is ported to libsoup3 ``` well, im out of ideas goblinking

opal, already did that, it must be a dependency that is loading it

yes its most likely a dependency that loads it

we dont load it in Gajim

package maintainers did not a good job on this libsoup3 migration

I compiled it from source but sure.

what did you compile?

1.8.1 tarball, using pip install -e .

I wish I knew how to break on loading a shared library..

look into gdb

it can stop the process if it crashes

but if its only if you get called

its most likely the farstream lib or its dependencies

What version of farstream are you using?

the one installed on your system

0.2.5. And I'm using Ubuntu.

It might be libnice, used in farstream.

no

its libgssdp-1.6-0

thats the version you need

you probably have a lower one

simply use the flatpak install, and dont care about all these problems

or upgrade to the ubuntu 23

Would using STUN instead of UpNP avoid that?

Huh. XEP-0215 has not been implemented yet, has it? It appears Gajim errors with `'Client' object has no attribute '_stun_servers'` when you enable STUN but do not provide a server address.

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11559

Is the sentry setup not working?

goblinking: you can't view those entries, it's restricted

cal0pteryx, ah? the issue said not confidential, but OK.

that's unrelated

Fair enough.

OK I am getting the error even though I provided what I believe to be a valid STUN/TURN server address.

goblinking, it's a known issue, stun handling hasn't been re-implemented while reworking the Client class

Is there some XMPP bot somewhere that I can use to test calls?

You can test with Dino for example

Ah, right. Although I am not sure the outdated Dino release I am using supports A/V yet. I cannot get Vala to compile the latest releases.

What other clients have some A/V support?

I'm guessing Psi+ does.

movim

goblinking, I think Dino also got a Flatpak release by now

> > yes > That requires moderning the call capabilities of gajim first. maybe it can be done after though ah, so its a work in progress?

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