Gajim - 2023-08-21

hello! I seem to be having an issue with gajim's OMEMO, new devices don't seem to be acknowledged by gajim when they announce themselves

I'm using Gajim 1.8.1 as a flatpak

Could you please explain what `_add_new_contact_rows` does in start_chat.py? Asking because there is already a `_add_contacts` method. What is considered _new_ ?

The row when a contact is unknown

Simply type a unknown jid into the input

1.8.1 is basically released, right? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11597

it was already released a while ago

So the only thing left is updating the website & translations?

I don't know why that ticket is still open

is it possible with a portable version to make a setting so the user can setup where the UserData folder should be? for example to place it on another partition?

then its not portable anymore is it?

portable means that all data are in one place, a folder, which you can move where ever you want

the minute you decide to split user data from applicaton data, its not moveable anymore

that's true, but for elderly or for kids you must freeze the computer with deepfreze else they get a virus and you can keep installing the os. I use a thawed partition for everything that must stay writable., but I want to be able to keep the gajim in the frozen area and that folders that need to stay writable to be able to link them somewhere in the thawed area.

on linux?

ah no, we are talking about windows

am yeah actually if you checkout the gajim shortcuts you will see a command line invocation that points to the user data folder

you can change that to point whereever you want

but you can do that also with the normal gajim installation

no need for portable

gajim has a -c switch that allows you to point to the place where the userdata is

So I just have to start gajim like "gajim -c c:\some\where\there" ?

yes

Would it be possible to add a "[Re]join" button in a room that says "You have left due to an error"?

I don't see an obvious way to rejoin

hmm it should be there right in the middle

if its not then Gajim doesnt know that you are not joined?

Maybe.. but I wasn't receiving new messages, and the last thing that was shown was this error. It didn't look joined

I'm on master, though I haven't been updating in maybe a month

hm ok there was a error shown

like a message in the chat?

ahh ..

ok so we received the kick presence ..

ok i check this

thanks

Yeah like a red message in the chat, probably no user attached and maybe centered, I don't remember :/

hm looks ok from the code

it should show ..

I'll update and try to be careful if it happens again

a quick test with kicking myself from a room also worked

yeah please

hi guys, I've just found about XMPP and I'm trying it out

👍️

Do I share my ID with the suffix included or without? ✏

suffix?

@hookipa.net in my case

so do I do uros03 or uros03@hookipa.net

xmpp adresses are like email addresses

aha

got it

the first part before the @ is the user

afterwards is the server he is on

I see, I guess I should've done more reading on xmpp

and I should've chosen a server with a cooler name hahah

its more important to choose a server that is well maintained and up to date

your xmpp address will not be seen on a daily basis, it only plays a role when trying to add friends

this one should be fine then

XMPP seems lonely though, are there any estimates of how many people use this thing?

I'm sure none of my friends are using it.

billions of people use it every day ;)

not even joking

the open Jabber federation is less active though, but by some semi recent estimates there are tens of thousands of servers

but XMPP is currently more geared towards private chat, like WhatsApp and not large public groups

so you don't see much of that

hmm

well I hope this fediverse grows

it feels nostalgic

and it's decentralized, of course

maybe... at least it is not anymore shrinking I would guess from anecdotal evidence

The EU is big on pushing Mastodon

and I see Matrix mentioned from time to time

Matrix and XMPP should be integrated if possible, I guess they are similar enough, functionality-wise

Matrix was one of the reasons why xmpp was shrinking a few years back, but I think people are slowly getting over the honeymoon period and realize that it actually just reinvented the wheel badly

Both support gateways/bridging as part of the tech, so it's not totally unfeasible.

yeah, I am still curious if we will ever hear again from the official ejabberd integrated matrix gateway ✏

from the Matrix side there is Bifrost, but even the patched up version from aria-net to so buggy it hardly works

One advantage Matrix has is its 'standard' client, Element. Which has most of the features you might want - though it's a web client.

Yeah, bridging on Matrix - one of its biggest selling points originally - is far from perfect.

Deide, it also was one of the biggest selling points of XMPP at the beginning :)

« Look we're gonna unify all these networks » one more network and 20 years later.. « look we're gonna unify all these networks »

Was it? I don't remember seeing a variety of gateways way back, but it's possible I just wasn't looking too hard at the time.

Well Matrix started with libpurple that was also used for XMPP

biboumi works quite nicely for IRC, I must say

Before making their own

I remember using libpurple on bitlbee in the past (and of course, I was a Pidgin user for many years). I guess XMPP had a marketing or SEO problem.

still has