Gajim - 2023-07-31

does openpgp work in MUCs?

> does openpgp work in MUCs? No.

Please correct me if I have wrong conclusions here. 1. to check a contact's status we will need its resources with `resources = contact.iter_resources()` 2. Each resource can have different presence states and statuses.

I tried to access an offline contact's presence state with ``` resources = contact.iter_resources() for resource in resources: presence_state = resource.show.value print(f'{contact}s presence is {presence_state}') ```

But nothing shows up.

Is it that an offline contact doesn't even have a `resource` ?

I thought the `presence_state` of a currently offline contact would be 'offline' when checked with `resource.show.value`

and I checked with len(resources) that an offline contact has no resources

So I am thinking I've to check `len(resources) == 0` to decide if a contact is offline.

But then the question arises, when exactly is `resource.show.value = offline`?

Iter_resources ignores offline resources

You don't need the show of resources ✏

Simply access contact.show it will calculate a value across resources

A faster check is contact.is_available

Oh, thanks

But `print(f'{contact} has {contact.status}')` gives ``` AttributeError: 'BareContact' object has no attribute 'status' ``` I am doing this in start_chat.py

oh sorry, let me check `contact.show`

It does the job. Thanks a lot

When I make a change to a py file, suppose `start_chat.py`, I have to restart Gajim and press Ctrl+N to check if the changes reflect in GUI as intended. Is there a quicker way to check?

is it possible to send a muc invite from gajim?

kurion: not if you change python code

fjklp: yes from the group chat roster

There is a big button

lovetox: I see

thanks

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *4c4db6e3* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/4c4db6e36f12769e8694d127c1939606bdf053db > cfix: Roster: Don't import BareContact from types Import only works with non-runtime code Fixes #11589

has anyone notice a discrepancy between the last chat message and the chat snippet in the chat list?

I had this happen a few times recently

is it possible to send a contact request via a direct chat, direct chat via muc, or muc view?

something other than the "Add Contact" in the + menu

> is it possible to send a contact request via a direct chat, direct chat via muc, or muc view? fjklp, as long as you can get the user address, you can.

Right-click the user who are not your contact in the left panel. ✏

Right-click the user who is not your contact in the left panel. ✏

for example, if I right click a user in this muc, there is no option to send a contact request

As for half-anonymous room in occupant private message, get the user's trust then ask them for their user address. ✏

A few users would like to write their user address into their vCard, so you can get their user address directly even in half-anonymous room without saying “hello” to them.

if I am in a direct chat via muc, I see no option to send a contact request from this view, which seems like a feature that I would expect to exist

fjklp, That is impossible. You MUST know the user's address first!

this sounds like a broken system if true

And it is a half-ANONYMOUS room. You do not know others' address except you are a moderator in this room.

> I see no option to send a contact request from this view Just type some words to say “Hello” and ask for the address.

imagine if you could do this with a button ✏

A plugin for you to send “Hi, I want your address.” directly as a button in occupant private chat?

The plugin “Quick replies” would satisfy you.

Hi, I have a question. Is it possible to display the names/meanings of the emojies in the emoji selector when you hold the mouse over them? I think many people feel the same as I do, that I don't always know the exact meaning or name. It would be awesome if the meaning was also displayed in the chat 🙃️.

Another thing but also related to the emoji selector is the size of the emojies or its window. Under Gnome with GTK, the emojies are displayed nice and big, but in KDE they are a bit small, so I sometimes have to move a bit closer to the screen. Is it possible to resize the emojies or the window so that my blind eyes can distinguish the yellow bumps 😆️

Another thing but also related to the emoji selector is the size of the emojies or its window. Under Gnome with GTK, the emojies are displayed nice and big, but in KDE they are a bit small, so I sometimes have to move a bit closer to the screen. Is it possible to resize the emojies or the window so that my blind eyes can distinguish the yellow bumps 😆️

oops, that was one time too much

> Hi, I have a question. Is it possible to display the names/meanings of the emojies in the emoji selector when you hold the mouse over them? I think many people feel the same as I do, that I don't always know the exact meaning or name. It would be awesome if the meaning was also displayed in the chat 🙃️. I have been wanting this functionality many times

also maybe hovering over emojis in chat, not sure if that's possible

names and short code would be nice ✏

> also maybe hovering over emojis in chat, not sure if that's possible that was my thought too. I also don't know if and how this is feasible, that's why I described it this way.

there are infinite things

like, type :thu and you get an emoji menu with the thumbs down emoji in 6 different skin tones

if you want thumbs up, you have to type ':thumbs u' to get them to show

maybe I'm being picky, but picking one skin tone and only showing emojis in that tone would eliminate a lot of useless ones

Please direct your requests for emojis to the gnome community

Emoji picker is a GTK standard widget, we can not influence it

Theme creators may have influence on the emoji size in the picker

ok, thanks. Is there a special repo where i can write an issue?

is it this one you use: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/blob/c1d6160bd4e7d480193083449f0018b02c6cb643/gtk/gtkemojichooser.c

Yes

ok 👍, then i'll see what can be done about it 😇️

I just thought of something else while I was working. Under Gnome and KDE I can temporarily disable the display of messages. I know from work (unfortunately with Windows 😭️, but what else would you expect) that some programmes recognise this and then adjust their own status (Do not disturb, Busy or whatever). Is it possible to integrate this into Gajim as well?

You mean notifications?

Does it not work when you set Gajim to DND

Yes, that already works. I rather meant that it is automatically recognised so that the status does not have to be set to "I am busy" in each application individually.

If I mute the notifications globally (KDE, Gnome) at the moment, my contacts don't get to know that I'm busy and therefore can't read their messages and perhaps don't want to be disturbed.

hey, if there's anyone here using Hyprland, you can use these windowrules to make only the main Gajim window tile while the others (popups, settings etc) float: windowrulev2 = float,class:org.gajim.Gajim windowrulev2 = tile,title:Gajim very easy but it's been a while and for some reason I hadn't thought of this before, so I thought I would share in case it's useful to someone else

> Please direct your requests for emojis to the gnome community So, I've written an issue now, let's see if it meets with interest. But it still occurred to me, would it be possible from your side to display the names of the emojies in the chat when you move the mouse over them?

Mark_, no

How to delere a room avatar?

Only possible via XML console currently I think

I can not get the room configration form after setting hide owners' presence status. Would that be considered as a bug?

never heard of that config option

on what server is this?

Ejabberd.

and i doubt that would a gajim bug, maybe a server one

because it does not send the form anymore

If I remember correctly, Tigase and Openfire also have such kind of options.

I can still get the form from Psi＋.

>after setting hide ~owners'~ *moderators'* presence status.

It seems not severe. I tried again, no problem this time.

It looks like it is not working when the occupant panel does not show myself.

But I joined again, it showed me. They everything is normal now.

Nevermind.

It looks like the occupant panel will not show myself if: The room configuration set hide moderator's presence status; And there is another client still in room when Gajim is joining in the meanwhile. ✏

It looks like the occupant panel will not show myself if: The room configuration set hide moderator's presence status; And there is another client (Psi＋) still in room when Gajim is joining in the meanwhile. ✏

Weird. Conversations and Dino will not cause this situation.

i dont know what is expected of this config option

obviously you want to see yourself

If I can not see myself, I can not get the configuration form too.

why?

are you saying then it doesnt work

ok let me test this

> are you saying then it doesnt work Yes.

Are you talking about the option "Roles for which Presence is Broadcasted"

i dont see "hide presence status"

ejabberd im talking about

> Are you talking about the option "Roles for which Presence is Broadcasted" Yes.

Well. I should have learnt to use the terms.

i discovered a bug in the dataform impl

Gajim can not set the broadcast field correctly

Have not I report this bug twice in this room? ✏

Well... Maybe my English description was bad.

> Have not I report this bug twice in this room? I mean this bug: > Gajim can not set the broadcast field correctly I have reported it twice many days ago.

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *80303100* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/80303100dce35b23e3a5384b6c48fe65b619aa31 > fix: Dataform: Correctly serialize multi list fields

☭Mike Yellow, yeah only because you report something, nobody jumps up and fixes something ✏

thats why its good to report issues on the tracker

so people dont forget

it should be fixed in the next version of Gajim

we will release it in a few days

My bad.

thanks for the report :)

twice !

Glad it is fixed. :)

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *dc4260e2* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/dc4260e297dd7858ecaee6edfb6df3d8d0b8275f > chore: Update translations

There's a very minor issue with gajim's chat list UI. Special characters in the display name will cause the chat to be a few pixels taller than others in the chat list.

ocd stuff really

https://sure.im:443/upload/29495f06-ce90-472e-8bd9-fd83acacb410/85f87253-ba07-437a-a585-c1cdc6d85a67.png

but it's a thing

I'll make an issue

please don't. I consider this a non-issue

alright, I won't then

Daniel Brötzmann pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *befd5b00* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/befd5b00ad74b2843dd16886af430b6fa5671edd > fix: Search: Don't fail while closing if no chat has been loaded before Fixes #11588

perhaps https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/11586 depends on the version. I tested with 1.7.3.

jstein, I applied some changes for that screenshot (no line length limit, for example) ✏

cal0pteryx, thank you for testing. You mean you fixed it and then made the screenshot?

Yes. But I don't know if that looks better

cal0pteryx, of course it looks better, if the space is used. Thanks

does 1.8.0 depend on this lib https://github.com/gkdr/libomemo ?

no

our dependencies are written in the README.md in the repo

when I try to start 1.8.0, it claims that it can not import the omemo lib

you need omemo-dr

https://pypi.org/project/omemo-dr/

it is not bundled, correct?

What's currently the state of the art XMPP client for iOS/Mac? Should I recommend Monal or Beagle/Siskin to an Apple-using friend?

jstein, no

atleast not on linux

hm no actually thats not right

its bundled in flatpak :)

so the question is how or from where do you install Gajim

he said flatpak :(

;-)

I started an environment with python3 -m venv ~/bin/pyenv source ~/bin/pyenv/bin/activate installed omemo-dr with pip in the environment started the system wide installed gajim 1.8.0 in the environment, but gajim 1.8.0 does not find the module

how can I tell gajim to use the module from the pyenv?

on https://pypi.org/project/omemo-dr/#description you write "Initial codebase was forked from https://github.com/tgalal/python-axolotl but has since been heavily rewritten." Could you add a short note, what/why it was heavily rewritten?