Gajim - 2023-07-27

greetings. after updating to 1.8.0 i'm getting an error, SSL verification error. was this issue reported? I have this only on a single account. And the same account works perfectly with the older gajim version

What's the error

Is there a quick way to show/list all contacts from all logged in accounts (preferably in one pane/listbox)? ✏

If there isn't, do you think this could be useful? In my case, It'd be easy for my blind friend to navigate the contact list in one list rather than having to switch between different `AccountPage` s ✏

the 'Start New Chat' with Ctrl+N is invaluable indeed

But the thing is we don't get any context menu for the contact items

The thing I am thinking of is a list/tree containing all contacts for all user accounts and the list items has some frequently used context menus (maybe renaming, removing, showing status of that contact etc)

This listing (kind of) probably was there in previous versions ✏

kurion: not "probably", I still use 1.3 and it's there.

kurion: http://0x0.st/HeRF.png

I don't remember though if it was ever detachable to a separate window, like in Pidgin or in Skype 4.x.

> > he's running Win8.1 > as its a very old operating system > very old WUT

My zoomer nephew has Win8.1 on a laptop, lol.

It _is_ old. And unsupported.

cal0pteryx: lovetox told it's _very_ old, not just old. If that is _very_ old, then what is old? Win10? And what Windows XP or 98 is then? Some people still use them too.

I had seen NT4 machines used in a university just ≈6 years ago.

I also don't get the idea of "unsupported", as a person who never installed Windows updates in the first place, as they may break something.

Please stop layout out all of your old software experiences now :P

cal0pteryx: they're not just mine lol.

It's not relevant to this discussion, since all kurion wanted was a list of all rosters. Not win95

http://0x0.st/He7z.png Looks pretty fun, especially given some internal CSS of Gajim which conflicts with the style lol.

i wish mia would stop blocking tor access on 0x0

opal: take this then: https://img.izy.cloud/o0an9wzynr.png

(xmpp does have file upload but thanks)

opal: the server doesn't :P

bug your admin

i thought that was the whole point we arent on irc still :D

opal: I'm not on IRC merely for historical purposes :P

Also, lots of legacy clients don't support XEP-0363.

Uploading onto jimm.ru from BombusMod still works, AFAIR.

It provides non-direct links which expire after 2 hours ×D

they're just that, legacy clients; besides, xep-0363 degrades gracefully

that isnt an excuse really

one only needs to have an xep-0363 capable client (and server) to *send* attachments, not receive

receipt is done via normal http, and if omemo's in the mix; well, your client is already gonna support aesgcm:// links anyway

opal: problems with acessing 0x0 via TOR are not an excuse too, y'know? :P

it isn't TOR, it's Tor

Actually, there may be problems with accessing Jabber servers in certain jurisdictions too.

don't fight me on any of this, you don't know what you're talking about

So XEP-0363 won't help with that.

For old OS, use Psi, though it is half-abandoned, it supports Windows 7 and XP.

psi(+) was an odd client, i tried it briefly

☭Mike Yellow: do you asume any old OS is a desktop OS? :P

And that it's always Windows?

your combativeness isn't pleasing anyone in here just so you know

I raise you Linux 2.6.35!

https://vintage2000.org/telegram_for_old_computers I didn't even know about TVJab before that.

i know you're russian but that attitude gets tiring lol

opal: I'm not Russian lol.

> psi(+) was an odd client, i tried it briefly In nowaday view, indeed.

oh you just know it

my bad

or you know one of the few other cyrillic languages and happen to use telegram, in which case, apologies for my latent racism

i may jump the gun on assumptions but i dont speak out of ignorance

> ☭Mike Yellow: do you asume any old OS is a desktop OS? :P Xabber, Yaxim for Android, Chatsecure for iOS, Bombus for Symbian...... :P ✏

Oh. I forgot to mention. Gajim 1.7.3 works on Windows 7.

Get a Gajim 1.7.3 if you are using Windows 7 or 8.

i would assume an x86_64 NT-based operating system would run most common desktop applications

yes thats a jab at you

1.7.3 seems to be most recent still in gentoo, so yeah, that should definitely run on any remotely-modern os right now

Is there something like a kill switch to turn off all CSS theming? I wanted to see how Gajim looks without CSS and if switching chats feels any faster.

> What's the error Certificate Validation Error

that's it

there was error while trying to validate the ssl certificate

https://widenotes.net:5281/upload/8Fc08BpJ05bzQoQVh8ozjIoc/Screenshot.png

youre on server widenotes.net?

obvs not

this one is working

:)

dont be smart when im trying to help you, i dont know enough about your error and you didnt say which server you have an issue on

as I wrote, other accs are working fine, including widenotes

an other acc - nope

and I can replicate the error only on 1.8

older versions don't get this error. neither alternative clients

well i cant really do anything to help unless i know what server the failing account is using

with tls certificate errors, its usually not the client's fault, but the server's

you may want to bring it up to your admin if you arent willing to tell us what server it is

upmyforce.net

ok thanks

https://wowana.me/paste/Fpnt5j.txt the cert looks fine

interesting

yeah im not sure then :(

yep

strage one

https://conversations.im/j/fungiblep2p@muc.xmpp.is Sell and buy stuff on XMPP

https://conversations.im/j/fungiblep2p@muc.xmpp.is Sell and buy stuff on XMPP

spam :(

lovetox, asterix

Spam? This is valuable info mate

It's a marketplace you can sell stuff on

"Spam"

Sending HTTP link of XMPP room looks like not spam, but sending twice do.

Ok main

I can send xmpp uri

Lmao

off-topic advertisement is spam

Valuable info is great

Your brain is spam

> off-topic advertisement is spam Also. Indeed.

Ban me come on

Breaking the rules deserves a punishment

cal0pteryx: ^

Is there something like a kill switch in Gajim's code or in GTK to turn off all CSS? I wanted to see how Gajim looks without CSS and check if switching tabs feels any faster.

i doubt you can turn off css styling in GTK

let's wait when Gajim will move to GTK4

lags will increase 2-3 times more XD

I see that the string `get_style_context().add_class` appears 246 times in the codebase. If I comment out every one of them with regex replace or something of that sort, will it _simulate_ turning CSS off? ✏

kurion: no

You can stop gajim from loadong gajim.css. But that won't change performance much, I guess

>Ban me come on just chill and be normal dawg

i believe in second chances

> i believe in second chances Ok, just saying you guys should consider joining and spread the word ↺

no.

now's the time to drop it, pepe

this isnt rizon

any reason why sometimes gajim will refuse to be killed? `killall gajim` will not kill it

I must SIGKILL for it to die

aquatarkus, no idea sorry

> now's the time to drop it, pepe Time to drop it babe ↺

thanks lovetox

btw, any clue why sometimes user avatars will not load?

your avatar for one isn't loading

can have many reasons, if you enable debug logging, and join this channel it should print why and what the problem is ✏

what folder will the log be saved to?

hm wait, i think something is wrong on my side

i investigate

alright, it's not just your pfp tho

some people's pfps are just not displaying

some groups as well

do you see the avatar now

nope

let me try restarting gajim

no it doesn't appear

I changed my setup a bit

I'm now using gajim with `ego` and the ego user is torified. I have disabled the global/account proxy to prevent Tor-over-Tor

maybe this has something to do with it?

no

Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *3ccdba1b* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/3ccdba1bea1be921dd8811316870b893dad7ef6c > fix: Profile: Respect avatar/nickname privacy setting on consecutive changes Fixes #11584

hey guys, is keepassxc support really a thing? when I turn off the system keychain usage, and turn on keepassxc support, all it does it saves the password into its ~/.config/gajim/settings.sqlite file I was quite shocked to see my password there in cleartext

> hey guys, is keepassxc support really a thing? when I turn off the system keychain usage, and turn on keepassxc support, all it does it saves the password into its ~/.config/gajim/settings.sqlite file > I was quite shocked to see my password there in cleartext hackers will love you

again, I want to use my keepassxc as a password provider backend, I never said I intended to store it in the sqlite file, it's just what gajim seem to be doing.

karolyi: it worked for me

and my password wasn't saved on that file

but I enabled secret service integration on keepassxc

it's in settings

hold on

when it works, you'll notice that you'll see that gajim will ask for permission to store the password in a db

oh, that's being held by gnome-keyring-daemon on my machine

you'll also be asked to open your database everytime

> oh, that's being held by gnome-keyring-daemon on my machine that's why

I can't just deinstall that unfortunately, since a lot of things depend on it

you might be able to disable it

or just have keepassxc take over that if you want

I'm not sure how tho, been a long time since I last used gnome or seahorse

maybe check the arch wiki page for keepassxc and/or seahorse

yeah, seahorse is not my favorite, would prefer keepassxc over it, but it isn't a simple task to replace I remember

it should be simple

last time I tried, lot of things broke. actually I'm on my notebook now, but on my desktop it kinda works. I had to rename the gnome-keyring-daemon binary to get it working though ✏

that's very strange

GNOME moment, I guess

yep

also I found a github issue on keepassxc, they say that dbus will restart gnome-keyring-daemon even if you kill it

but that's kind offtopic here

I remember this being the reason for renaming the binary though

well that sucks

thanks for the compassion though :)