Gajim - 2023-07-20

I am trying to make a notification appear whenever OMEMO encryption is enabled/disabled. I found I could use `Gtk.Notify`.

But I found that Gajim does not use it to make its notifications.

Could you please explain the reasoning behind why Gtk.Notify has not been used for PopupNotifications?

Is it costly or less customizable than the current implementation?

kurion: where did you read about a `Gtk.Notify`? I don't think it exists

I'm sorry. It's not `Gtk.Notify`. To import this I used `from gi.repository import Notify`

I will correct my question.

Could you please explain the reasoning behind why `Notify` module from `gi.repository` has not been used for PopupNotifications?

I can't seem to find the source code for Notify. Would be interesting to know if it is multi-platform (but I doubt that). Gajim uses gio.notification, which comes natively with gobject. No need for an additional package

Apart from that: why would you issue a notofication for something the user triggered directly before? Sounds like an anti-pattern

I need to provide a feedback that a screen reader can read to my blind friend.

> No need for an additional package I see

I was using this page to use Notify. https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/index.html#Notify-0.7/classes/Notification.html

Previously I tried the following. When on the message input field, user presses Ctrl+O and `encryption_menu_button` is clicked. Then he can use Up/Down to move focus to desired encryption method and press Space to finalize the encryption method. But the thing is even after pressing Space on a menu item, the item is not set to, in Gtk terms, _selected_. So when the user presses Ctrl+O to click the menu button and traverse the menu list to check for which encryption method is selected, the screen reader reads "not selected" for every menu item, although previously selected menu item has the radio button checked. ✏

What can I do to set the encryption method menu item to _selected_? If that can be done, I wouldn't have to bother with making notifications to assure the blind user about the currently selected encryption method.

no idea sounds like a GTK bug

or a screen reader bug

you would need to find out were the screen reader gets the info from if something is selected or not

and check if gtk sets the thing correctly or if we need to do it somehow

Could you please help with how to make encryption menu items _selectable_ like `MessageRow`s are?

When messagerows are _selected_ the row is colored green. But this is not the UI feedback when an encryption menu is selected. That just has the focus but is not green when pressed space on.

no there is no such option, check the docu for Gio.Menu

I have installed gajim via apt on ubuntu. Since the delivered version is outdated (and annoying buggy) I wonder whether I can use flatpak and simply move my ~/.config/gajim/ config to (I guess ~/.var; not yet famliar with flatpak) in order to use it and continue to have my current omemo keys etc. Is that possible?

Yes there is a wiki article

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/blob/master/flatpak/README.md#migrate-your-data

great, thank you very much!

https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/commit/af02c6bd53fad4e0065951597bd7ec801c002067 lovetox: The 5 minute limit on last message correction is very noticeable. Where does that limitation come from?

Mostly because we cannot notify the user about corrections, so we decided to make it short

But this may change

lovetox: It's already strictly the last message that can be edited. With no other clients doing this, it just comes across as overly restrictive.

I totally agree with XRevan86

There should not be non-standardized behavior

so no message correction at all? because there is no standard that says when its allowed?

Hi, without any update to Gajim or certificate, today Gajim told me that my certificate wasn't accepted because of unknown... woops what was the wording? but it allowed me to add it to a whitelist. The certificate is emitted by let's encrypt, any ideas?

Then there was an update to your local cert store

Either that or you don't send the whole chain anymore or something like this

Hm, no update either on packages or conf side from server :/

Well, that's not a big deal

hi, soo. I have a 1-1 OMEMO chat with this guy. I started the chat, but shortly after I reinstalled Gajim, causing my messages to be gone. I started a new chat with him. Would he see my messages in the same chatroom, or was a new one created when I DM'd him again? Also, something funky happened... Sometimes when I launch Gajim, I get to see old messages between me and him (from before I uninstalled Gajim), but sometime later I opened Gajim and the old messages appeared again

Today I opened Gajim, old messages are gone again, and the newer ones that had disappeared are back

What is going on here?

The order is: I installed Gajim (arch package) -> DM'd this guy (old messages) -> installed flatpak gajim instead because the original one broke (DM'd him again, new chatroom) -> went back to pacman Gajim because lovetox helped me fix it

now whether the old chatroom or the new one will show up when I open Gajim seems to be random. Sometimes it will show me old messages, and sometimes newer ones

my friend is running Conversations from F-droid, if that is in any way relevant

and I am on Gajim (only session)

Hm sounds indeed weird

Messages you received on the flatpak version will not be in the pacman version, I'd you use encryption ✏

And the other way around

yeah, that's what I expected to happen