Gajim - 2023-07-09

Wow, Gajim 1.8.0 looks much better than 1.7.3. Another long message spammer appeared and Gajim did not stuck.

>Another long message spammer appeared and Gajim did not stuck. Ah. Sorry, forget I said that. >Gajim 1.8.0 looks much better than 1.7.3. But this is still true.

hey all, when (and will) voice messages will be avaible on gajim?

not anytime soon, as nobody is working on it

it would be an interesting feature, I've heard that someone was working on it months ago

also for some reasons gajim video/audio calls won't work with conversations clients (I haven't tested it on other clients)

yes, they won't work

Gajim doesn't implement (yet) the modern way of doing a/v calls

but I heard they may work between two gajim instances if you're lucky

lissine, is it encrypted at least?

no

also, will ever gajim support message deletion/correction?

its not the same

Gajim supports corrections forever

it also supports deleting messages locally

if you ask if it supports asking other clients to delete a message you wrote

this will come in one of the next versions

alright, thanks

lovetox: are you one of the devs?

Yes

Hi, I have been making some changes to Gajim and testing out. I notice tiny lags when switching chats with Ctrl+Tab. I mean the switch doesn't feel _instant_. Why might this happen? How can I tap into what is causing this lag?

Also, is there a difference in speed whether I run Gajim from a dev environment or as a packaged binary?

kurion: do you have the participant list opened during the switches?

Currently, I don't have any MUC.

So, no.

meson: Were you specifically referring to participants in MUCs?

kurion: especially lists with many items. > How can I tap into what is causing this lag? You could profile Gajim.

how can it be instant, stuff needs to be loaded from the database, stuff needs to be drawn

lovetox: of course, these cannot be avoided. But I was wondering if this lag was due to me changing something or it was just Python. ✏

I'm using Psi+ right now. And It has that _instant_ feel to it. :)

but it has no rich messages

its just loads text like in IRC

of course thats fast

no, avatars, no icons, no rows, where you can execute action with buttons, and so on

yes. It doesn't even use labels for messages.

just plain text

not saying that there is no optimization potential in Gajim

In fact, Psi+ lacking labels and Gajim moving to using labels is one of the reason for me being invested in Gajim.

every design decision has drawbacks, we thought people can deal with a little bit slower reaction time, but gaining a rich chat experience where we can do cool things

though i have to say on my machine, the lag is very minimal

practially only really visible if i jumpt 3-4 chats in a row

> the lag is very minimal here too.

though im sure there is still room for optimizations

almost ignorable, to be honest.

But just missing that _instant_ feel. :)

but also i have to us MS Teams at work everyday

so .. Gajim is blazing fast compared to that

ha ha

By the way, how is the database overhaul going?

we are at 80%

great!

i hope we can merge this in the next 2 weeks

AppImage builds for Gajim would be great. May I suggest including it on the roadmap?

we have flatpak

i see no real benefit of appimage compared to flatpak

Well, to run flatpaks, we need `flatpak` installed on the system. AppImages are just a double-click away after downloading.

its not a double click

i used app image, and UX is horrible

you need to google first how you can even execute it

Are you referring to the `chmod` that one has to do to the AppImage?

and then you gather apps in your browser download folder

and thats the way then to start applications, not via whatever your DE shows in the dashboard or search, no you go to your download folder and click applications to start it

im sure there are more tutorials how i can add apps then to the dashboard, find them via search whatever

whole thing is counter to what all platforms do

Yes, no denying that.

there is a store, you search your app, click install, and its perfectly integrated into your system like all other apps

Well, there is AppImage Launcher. But that way, you need this "manager" thing on your system. So, back to square one.

We invest already considerable energy and time into distribution

We build and distribute windows executeables, flatpak, debian nightly, flatpak nightly

i dont want to add more work for this, unless its a major benefit

like maybe a MacOS build

adding a 4th or 5th way to aquire Gajim on linux .. i rather not

ah i forgot, recently we added now a microsoft ms store build

which i need to write automation again sometime, otherwise its again more work

lovetox: maybe https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/issues/10358 can be closed then

how might I get insight on signals being sent to the tray indicator?

you look into statusicon.py

I sometimes experience notifications of unread messages that mention me within gajim but the tray indicator does not show it

Hey everyone, is there a way to programatically set the status message? I was going to quickly write a plugin that spawns and listens on a FIFO for this but before I started I thought I'd ask if there was already a way. Thanks!

j4nk: there should be a dbus interface to do this