Gajim - 2019-11-09


  1. astraldraconis hello is anyone here? i just started using xmpp and i'm having a problem
  2. Anonymous User astraldraconis you should just state your issue
  3. astraldraconis sorry, i'm still figuring this out - i can't tell if my messages are being sent or not, and if i'm actually connected or not
  4. astraldraconis first of all using gajim on windows, how can i tell if my messages are sent?
  5. Anonymous User If you are using Windows 10 I'd recommend UWPX as the main client, but that's beside the issue
  6. Anonymous User You'll get a very obvious error if you did not connect
  7. Anonymous User And for messages they are sent if they appear in the window
  8. astraldraconis i also tried to add a contact, but when i sent them a request they didn't receive it whatsoever, and when they sent me a request it said something like "server did not respond to a request to add this contact" and i didn't get anything
  9. astraldraconis i wasn't able to message them without adding them, there was a "connection timeout" error
  10. Anonymous User Are you using a working server?
  11. astraldraconis i think so? is there a way to tell?
  12. Anonymous User Have it take the IM Observatory test
  13. Anonymous User https://xmpp.net
  14. Anonymous User Run it through both C2S and S2S
  15. astraldraconis c2s came back everything at 100 score, grade A - doing s2s now
  16. astraldraconis s2s same deal
  17. astraldraconis i think i figured out the issue, i'll see if this works
  18. UsL why recommend wupx when he already has a better client with more features and compliance and asks in the gajim muc room?
  19. Anonymous User Gajim is ujsing GTK, which is not a toolkit that calls out to native widgets on Windows
  20. Anonymous User and I think it's fine for most uses anyway
  21. Anonymous User Honestly it's a matter of personal preference, I'd prefer something that looks and feels native to my system, even if it's behind a bit
  22. UsL I haven't tried gajim on a winspy machine in years, but back then gtk worked okay. But yeah it looks like uwpx is wasting the screen real estate with big empty fields just like win apps does. First time I had to sit with windospy 10 and opened settings I cried a little.
  23. UsL I guess it is a matter of wanting to look at more or less info at the same time. I prefer more. Or the most actually.
  24. marmistrz I doubt it's the date of the message being received by gajim, at least because the seconds part is perfectly synchronized
  25. lovetox marmistrz, as i said, start logging, and check the time of your server
  26. lovetox messages that get pulled from the server, depend on the time from the sever
  27. marmistrz how do I check the time of my server? from the logs?
  28. lovetox no by asking the server administrator
  29. lovetox but yes logs will tell you also if the time of the server is wrong
  30. marmistrz Yeah, I get it, if the stanzas have the wrong timestamp, it's a server issue. thx
  31. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *6c0c4b22* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/commit/6c0c4b22039e988d781cd4ba994b60466154258a > Fix opening URIs from sandbox
  32. bot Philipp Hörist merged a merge request for _gajim/master_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/522 >: Fix opening URIs from sandbox
  33. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *235f2a80* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/commit/235f2a805ee1068c71f65075c8b1191b8e2f5a87 > Refactor opening files - Rename method - Catch and log all exceptions
  34. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 2 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins >: *2517c0e8* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/commit/2517c0e8493e9583e5acdbc39e550340bcbb5306 > [preview] Adapt to Gajim changes - Open files with open_file() *873d7f32* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/commit/873d7f323d983d6703e7d04fbca62dcbdedb2b5b > [preview] Update manifest.ini
  35. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins >: *147ab8d8* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/commit/147ab8d83cf48cf113bce54666c9dc9aaf11e349 > [omemo] Correctly handle MAM Messages without real jid Fixes #457
  36. bot Philipp Hörist closed an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/457 >: #457: < [omemo] Error in _process_mam_message properties.muc_user.jid 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'jid' >
  37. asterix I see a strange thing. Here is the scenario : I join Gajim MUC. I talk in pm with a member. I keep both tabs opened I suspend my computer [messages are exchanged in the MUC while offline] I open my computer again. Gajim reconnects, join the MUC, fetch messages via MAM messages are shown in MUC tab (of course) BUT messages are also shown in the PM tab, as if they were send from him. Example: https://i.imgur.com/FwYNVdH.png
  38. lovetox yes we have a open issue for that, i will investigate
  39. andrey.g for reference: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9488
  40. UsL but the last point in that bug report doesn't cover it all. Messages in the muc appears in the private chat as coming from romeo but in reality its mirrored from the muc?
  41. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *f87f56ed* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/commit/f87f56ed1e319b1bd6c4b5cf8b2afcecc560715a > GroupchatControl: Dont handle PM's if a control is open The PrivateChatControl handles messages on its own
  42. bot Philipp Hörist closed an issue in _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9488 >: #9488: < After reconnect some messages from MUC appear in a private chat from this MUC >
  43. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *0639bc03* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/commit/0639bc034fcd1a557fff0bd77774c866500f786d > ChatControl: Don't handle MAM groupchat messages Fixes #9488
  44. lovetox asterix, andrey.g, UsL : should be fixed ^
  45. UsL cool : )
  46. UsL I am still on ancient 0.16.6 so I don't know if it applied to my use case. But then again I am almost never in a private chat
  47. lovetox on 0.16.6 this bug should not be present
  48. bot Philipp Hörist closed an issue in _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9883 >: #9883: < AttributeError in _process_message_receipt >
  49. UsL good to know. I'll be on the wagon next distupgrade I guess. Or not.. Don't know how frequent the package maintainer is.
  50. thrdroom hi everyone
  51. thrdroom I installed gajim stable on ubuntu 18.04 from flathub and i ahve the problem that i dont get notification sounds...does anyone has a fix for this?
  52. lovetox hannibal, any idea? maybe flatpak does not have access to the sound apps
  53. thrdroom while we add it, i also cant configure a audio and video device for calling.
  54. hannibal thrdroom: current stable of gajim doesn't support audio video
  55. thrdroom hannibal ohh i see.
  56. hannibal There is a portal for notifications, but not used by gajim yet, that might fix the sound issue
  57. thrdroom hannibal: so can i change some configs or does this have to be implemented by the devs?
  58. thrdroom How stable is the nightly buildof gajim? should i switch from flatpack stable to apt nightly for haveing the latest version?
  59. hannibal Implementation needs to be changed
  60. thrdroom How stable is the nightly build of gajim? should i switch from flatpack stable to apt nightly for haveing the latest version?
  61. thrdroom How stable is the nightly build of gajim? should i switch from flatpack stable to apt nightly for having the latest version?
  62. lovetox hannibal, it has nothing to do with notifications
  63. lovetox notification api is only displaying not sound
  64. hannibal thrdroom: is it a systemwide notification sound that isn't played, we are talking about
  65. lovetox i think flatpak cant access whatever the python package ossaudidev uses
  66. lovetox i think flatpak cant access whatever the python package ossaudiodev uses
  67. lovetox you have sounds in your flatpak installation hannibal ?
  68. hannibal I'll have a look at it. I don't use sound in gajim
  69. thrdroom hannibal: i am not sure what you mean by "systemwide notification sound"...i have no single sound/audio played by gajim, also not in the settings-dialog where i can change the soundfiles.
  70. hannibal So never tried
  71. lovetox you can easily test it from the prefence -> sounds menu
  72. lovetox there is a play button for each sound
  73. lovetox thrdroom, flatpak is a sandbox it probably does not have permission for the audio api
  74. thrdroom side question: when i autocomplete a username is the chatroom, can i change that it uses a colon instead of a comma? like 'username:' instead of 'username,'
  75. lovetox yes
  76. lovetox in advanced config editor
  77. lovetox gc_refer_to_nick is the setting
  78. thrdroom lovetox thx! ;)
  79. thrdroom hmm, right now im not sure if i would be better of using the apt nightly instead of the flatpak...my problem is that there is no uptodate stable for my distro. what do you guys think? is nightly a good idea or not?
  80. thrdroom hmm, right now im not sure if i would be better off using the apt nightly instead of the flatpak...my problem is that there is no uptodate stable for my distro. what do you guys think? is nightly a good idea or not?
  81. hannibal I can play sounds from settings in flatpak stable and nightly
  82. thrdroom hannibal: what distro do you use?
  83. hannibal lovetox: could the "clear sound" button restore the default audio file instead of clearing it
  84. hannibal Arch Linux
  85. hannibal with gnome-shell
  86. thrdroom damn, i have to apologize...i dont know how, but the systemwide notifications-settings was turned of anywhere deep in the settings-dialog.
  87. thrdroom damn, i have to apologize...i dont know how, but the systemwide notifications-settings was turned off anywhere deep in the settings-dialog.
  88. thrdroom sorry guys.
  89. thrdroom is it normal that i see my own account as a contact when i also connect from my phone(conversations) simultaneously?
  90. UsL yes
  91. UsL but not as a contact since it is not in that group
  92. thrdroom UsL: so all "contacts" which are not in a group are my own devices?
  93. UsL it's like that in my gajim. I don't think a contact can be ungrouped.. But I wont sign my name on that assumption..
  94. UsL https://riotcat.org:5281/upload/6ZIo56IlMZJt-EBE/Gajim_2019-10-25_16-33-38.png
  95. UsL oh, it was censored. But you can see "me" above and ungrouped and my contacts in groups "Contacts" since I don't like "General"
  96. Link Mauve So, even though you can’t add yourself as a contact (that is illegal as per the RFC), all of your resources are implicitly subscribed to each others’ presence, so in practice they behave as if they were contacts of yours.
  97. Link Mauve It’s a UI choice to display them as contacts in the roster.
  98. thrdroom Link Mauve: UsL: thanks for the clarification 😉
  99. UsL well, Link Mauve truly clarified it tbh..
  100. thrdroom UsL: i also dislike the term "General" for non-grouped contacts.
  101. thrdroom simply contacts would feel right.
  102. UsL Yeah, so groups can e set in Gajim and conversations will use them but you can't edit them there.
  103. thrdroom UsL: how did you managed to see the clients-logo in your contactlist?
  104. UsL Yeah, so groups can be set in Gajim and conversations will use them but you can't edit them there.
  105. UsL thats an addon/plugin
  106. thrdroom UsL: well i guess not if use flatpack :D
  107. UsL menu "Edit" at the bottom has no plugin field?
  108. thrdroom UsL: sorry?
  109. UsL File Edit View Help menu at the top. "Plugins" should be present in the Edit menu at the bottom
  110. UsL perhaps it is as you say, not present in flats. Stuff is missing.. I don't know.
  111. thrdroom UsL: Oh, yes. i do have a plugin sesstings dialog
  112. UsL ah, good.
  113. thrdroom UsL: but i only can install 3 plugins..see: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/wikis/help/flathub
  114. UsL The addon is "Client Icons"
  115. UsL but perhaps it is so for me using old stable 0.16.6 version
  116. UsL it is remade in Gajim 1.X.X
  117. UsL ah, it is a flatpack thing then..
  118. UsL I never used flatpacks. Reminds me of how things get installed in windowspy and I don't care much for that anymore.. : )
  119. thrdroom UsL: i feel you...im not so sure about flatpacks and snaps myself tbh
  120. thrdroom UsL: but i do like the concept of appimages
  121. UsL yeah, it is a try before truly install kind of deal
  122. UsL or to get latest releases ofc.
  123. astraldraconis i'm having issues sending images, i have the url image preview plugin, if i try to attach an image it only works occasionally, and the image doesn't display on my android client either
  124. astraldraconis in fact, any image i attach to a message by any means whatsoever doesn't really display at all on any client, and i can't open the url any time i want to see an image someone sends me/i send
  125. lovetox not sure what you mean by attaching
  126. lovetox you can click the file transfer button in the chatwindow and it will upload the image and send it
  127. lovetox thats about it
  128. lovetox if another client displays this inline or not is not something you can control
  129. astraldraconis the "send file" paperclip button, or different file transfer? i'm using the paperclip and it doesn't really work very well
  130. lovetox what does not work?
  131. astraldraconis displaying the image
  132. lovetox in your own client?
  133. astraldraconis yeah
  134. lovetox is the image a jpg or png?
  135. lovetox did you set the size limit in the plugin config to the highest amount of 10 MB?
  136. lovetox is your server probably configured, as in does the server posses a valid ssl certificate?
  137. astraldraconis sorry hi
  138. astraldraconis image is a png, i'll go set that up rn, and i think so
  139. lovetox then please provide debug logs
  140. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim >: *a4806046* < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/commit/a480604666674a1f87dd74cd797bedc4b289b730 > Fix typo
  141. bot Daniel Brötzmann modified an issue in _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9488 >: #9488: < After reconnect some messages from MUC appear in a private chat from this MUC >
  142. bot Daniel Brötzmann closed an issue in _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9873 >: #9873: < KeyError: 'type' in _connect_to_next_host >
  143. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 2 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins >: https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/44aa29be-1033-41bc-89f1-0570b1439123
  144. bot Philipp Hörist closed an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/452 >: #452: < OMEMEO Messages without key should show an Error Message >
  145. thrdroom gajim throw an error while using it...i wanted to report the bug but i just got redirected to this page https://dev.gajim.org/users/sign_in where i should sign up for an account (meh)...so instead of register an account here is a paste of the error-report: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2ddb2702/
  146. bot Philipp Hörist pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins >: https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/8e30e3d1-80f7-4ea0-b98c-28fe942fa135
  147. bot Philipp Hörist closed an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/445 >: #445: < [OMEMO] Inconsistent OMEMO behavior for non-anonymous public rooms (non-invite-only) >
  148. lovetox yes known, is your server an openfire server, thrdroom
  149. lovetox ?
  150. lovetox wurstsalat, do you have time tomorrow to adapt your omemo MR?
  151. lovetox because otherwise i do it, because i want to push a new version tomorrow
  152. bot Philipp Hörist closed an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/309 >: #309: < OMEMO silently drops messages encrypted with old (removed) key >
  153. bot Philipp Hörist updated a merge request for _gajim/master_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/521 >: MessageWindow: Add back tab scrolling
  154. thrdroom lovetox: im not really sure...i have two accounts..one serves uses "ejabberd 18.09-1~afa90" the other one is unknown
  155. lovetox do you see that error often or only once?
  156. thrdroom lovetox: only once by now
  157. lovetox yeah its fixed anyway in master
  158. lovetox but will not reach 1.1.x
  159. thrdroom ok 🙂
  160. astraldraconis really quick, anyone here using conversations on mobile know why i can't see encrypted messages sent from other clients? (message was not encrypted for this device)
  161. wurstsalat lovetox: I'm back home tomorrow evening, so probably quicker if you would commit that