SaltyBonesComing back to redirecting output, anyobody got a clue how to do it? > doesn't work for gajim..
marmistrzOh, gajim now seems to be using 629 megs of RAM
marmistrzthat isn't expected, isn't it?
marmistrzfreshly started, gajim has mem use of about 180MB
Danielmarmistrz, do you use spellchecking?
marmistrzDaniel, I do
DanielRight now spellcheck is using too much memory since it's attached to all chats
DanielThere is an open issue about this
Daniel#8822
mikaelaCan I somehow send ad-hoc commands while the "execute command" is grayed out or how can I make it not grayed out?
I want to send settings to Biboumi to not use SSL with network which doesn't support SSL and with another network tell that the certificates are invalid, but Gajim doesn't let me access the menu.
Danielspicewiesel, look at #9163. it's fixed
mikaelaI managed to send the command with Tkabber
zuglufttierIn gajim from git: Who is supposed to have the right to upload a muc avatar?
zuglufttierShould moderators be able to do that?
botnico created an issue in _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9183 >:
#9183: < Omemo key updates >
nicothats nice this omemo key update thingi is really annoying. #9183
lovetoxno zuglufttier only owners
lovetoxmikaela, you have to open the discovery window
lovetoxselect the irc transport
lovetoxand then execute is available
mikaelaThanks, I will try that soon :)
Another question, can I expand the tab bar and turn it into a tree or somehow make it scrollable?
I have managed to move it to the left, but many namds are just http:... or welcome while I would have screen space for them to look more useful
lovetoxwhy are your contacts named http: ?
mikaelaMy contacts aren't named http:, but many MUC subjects seem to begin that way
lovetoxaand you see the muc subject in the tab?
zuglufttierlovetox, thanks!
mikaelayes
lovetoxalso here in Gajim?
mikaelaI guess that is, because of Biboumi?
mikaelaoh, I do
mikaelaThe tab bar reads "Gaji..." while on top of this window reads "gajim@conference.gajim.org"
lovetoxwhat version do you have instlled
lovetoxeither way you cant change the tab bar, you can set a muc name in the bookmarks
mikaela1.0.2 and I have tried setting muc name in bookmarks, but it gets reset by itself
lovetoxthen you cant do anything
lovetoxthe chatlist is reworked though for gajim 1.1
lovetoxthen this will not be a problem anymore
mikaelaI see, thanks again :)
botDaniel created an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/324 >:
#324: < Omemo key updates >
botDaniel closed an issue in _gajim_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9183 >:
#9183: < Omemo key updates >
botDaniel modified an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/324 >:
#324: < Omemo key updates >
botDaniel modified an issue in _gajim-plugins_ < https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues/324 >:
#324: < Check for OMEMO key updates before sending a message >
rom1depDaniel: ping
rom1depmaybe not ping. I was about to report an OMEMO issue, then saw the bot notifications.
Some of my devices are not receiving my carboned OMEMO messages ("The message was encrypted with OMEMO..." on the recipient device), all while the recipient is trusted by the sender. Can it be that I am running out of prekeys or something? How do I test that?
lovetoxno that cant be the problem
lovetoxyou contact can try to delete your fingerprint
lovetoxthis should reset the session
lovetoxemphasis on "your contact", it does nothing if you do that
rom1deplovetox: it's my own account, so own keys/own devices from the fingerprint manager
rom1depall the fingerprint manager lets me do is "copy to keyboard" :)
lovetoxplugins -> omemo -> config
rom1depargh bad UX
rom1depafter deleting the fingerprint, the OMEMO message don't even show-up as unreadable on the receiving end
lovetoxyes
lovetoxrestart the client and write a message
lovetoxshould trigger getting the fingerprint again
louiz’mikaela, you’re using biboumi? Cool :)
rom1dep😎
mikaelaI ended up to it with this XMPP server running it and also jabberfr and found it surprisingly good experience comparing to something that only accepts single client at a time and matrix-appservice-irc
sicherhaBiboumi is great - I only wish that client support were still a little bit more polished, then I would send my Quassel server into retirement
rom1depI wish biboumi users joined to the same room would see each others in a same MUC (instead as IRC nicks), so we could have typing notifications, presence, avatars, ...
louiz’not gonna happen, though
rom1depyeah
rom1deptricky
rom1depeven more than public rooms and logs deduplication
sicherhaThe one feature I miss the most is the possibility to synchronise my read-state across clients
sicherhaI know this has nothing to do with Biboumi, but with XMPP in general
rom1depyeah, XMPP being XMPP
rom1depthere are, like, 4 half-assed partial solutions to the problem that not two client would ever combine in a consistent way to make it work :)
sicherhaYeah, most of them based on some kind of heuristics
rom1depI think there is such a thing as read markers, but not all clients emit them, and not all servers agree on storing them, so..
sicherhaAnd they are only enabled for 1:1 conversations and private MUCs
HolgerAnd clients will only emit them for messages that requested them.
rom1depthat's up to the client, I guess
Holgerrom1dep: No you can't really make this work with anon MUCs.
HolgerWhatever, yes we need a proper solution.
rom1depHolger: not even with the new ID routing thing?
HolgerSo I'm sure we'll come up with two or three incompatibles ones, one day :-)
rom1depand I see two purposes, 1- syncing my own clients, read markers should remain a private information, 2- telling others which messages I've read (and possibly a privacy concern)
Holgerrom1dep: The second client can't easily check whether the client that emitted the read marker is yours or not.
HolgerBasically only if both use the same nick and are online at the same time.
Holgerrom1dep: I think we need separate solutions for those two purposes. Read markers are ok for (2) but not for (1).
sicherhaIn my opinion, (a) telling others that you've read until a certain point and (b) remembering it for yourself are orthogonal issues
Link MauveHolger, store it in private PEP!
rom1depHolger: agreed for the 2 solutions. about the second client not knowing whether the read marker has been sent by my first client, couldn't my server store this hint?
HolgerLink Mauve: Yes that's how I'd do (1).
rom1dep(MAM table or something)
Holgerrom1dep: I think energy is better invested in a proper solution than in new hacks :-)
sicherhaAgreed
HolgerLink Mauve: IIRC Kev has a different solution with explicit server support in mind, I suggested PEP during the summit but forgot his response (it's >24h ago) ...
Link MauveHmm, I don’t remember this part from the Summit.
Link MauveI spent most of it fighting Prosody, which actually ended up being libevent. :(
Link MauveWorst time possible for this to happen.
HolgerMy trick was not bringing a laptop.
HolgerOh maybe that's a lie :-)
Link Mauve:D
HolgerI *usually* don't bring a laptop to meetings and such!
Link MauveI think it would have been much worse if I didn’t have a laptop to debug and workaround the crash.
lovetoxim away till the 19. , be nice to each other