Gajim - 2017-12-18


  1. Citizen Zibb mathieui, does arch have a jabber chat?
  2. pep. I don't think there's anything official for Arch on Jabber
  3. Citizen Zibb I am loathe to use IRC
  4. Citizen Zibb I don't even have an account on freenode
  5. pep. Well that's a thing on irc, you don't need an account
  6. pep. Well, not everywhere
  7. Citizen Zibb cant get into arch without it, pep
  8. Neustradamus Asterix, please update the homepage: https://gajim.org/
  9. Link Mauve Neustradamus, it’s been updated today.
  10. Citizen Zibb indeed
  11. Citizen Zibb whoa we got jingle support?
  12. Neustradamus Alpha 2 is not noted ^^
  13. Citizen Zibb yes it is
  14. Neustradamus ah!!
  15. Neustradamus alpha 1 -> alpha 2
  16. Citizen Zibb yep
  17. Citizen Zibb haha
  18. Neustradamus A news removed
  19. Neustradamus thanks :)
  20. Link Mauve Citizen Zibb, since about 2014, yes.
  21. Link Mauve Hmm, earlier I thought.
  22. Citizen Zibb I remember trying to get it to work with psi ages ago
  23. Citizen Zibb never did get it to work
  24. Citizen Zibb dont remember if the server required it or only the client
  25. Neustradamus someting I read too fast
  26. Neustradamus sometimes
  27. Link Mauve Citizen Zibb, only the client, but the server can help in some cases by providing external services, such as a proxy, or a STUN and TURN servers.
  28. Citizen Zibb thats actually fantastic to know
  29. Citizen Zibb I wanted to run my own jabber server on a raspberry pi I have laying around
  30. Citizen Zibb maybe ill finally have enough incentive to get off my arse
  31. Citizen Zibb though jingle isn't encryptable is it?
  32. Link Mauve Jingle is just a negociation mechanism, what you put inside totally depends on what you decided upon.
  33. Link Mauve If you negociate e.g. a WebRTC session, it will always be encrypted.
  34. Link Mauve If you negociate a XTLS session, same.
  35. Citizen Zibb awesome
  36. andrewdied Well, 1.0.0 alpha 2 windows installed and launched just fine on windows 10, 64 bit.
  37. Citizen Zibb yep
  38. andrewdied It took me longer to realize I needed to click through the installer to get to the alpha, then to do the upgrade.
  39. Citizen Zibb Link Mauve, I really should read up on this, I'd love to have a private family server so we don't always have to go through google/skype/etc
  40. Link Mauve I’ve been doing that for some ten years, and my only advice is go for it!
  41. Link Mauve It’s easier than you could think.
  42. Link Mauve I was 15 back then, I had no idea what I was doing, but in the end I managed to obtain a lot of knowledge and to build a pretty nice set of services.
  43. Citizen Zibb Honestly I've wanted to do it for such a long time, ever since "dont be evil" was a thing
  44. Citizen Zibb they're all full of ... well you know
  45. Citizen Zibb ultimately I realize that most corporations are trying to remove any kind of data control away from the end user
  46. Citizen Zibb I should be the only one in charge of my data
  47. Link Mauve Indeed.
  48. Citizen Zibb I've used certain google services since they were invite only
  49. Citizen Zibb and then I was so thirlled
  50. Citizen Zibb thrilled*
  51. Citizen Zibb but I started noticing ads and other creepy behavior
  52. andrewdied View > History is looking pretty sparse. I don't see the "right now" history for this chatroom, and clicking on the calendar widget isn't changing the date. I thought it worked before, but I couldn't tell you for sure.
  53. Citizen Zibb Link Mauve, whats a good jabber server to use?
  54. Citizen Zibb i looked at prosody, kind of like it
  55. andrewdied I did try Accounts > Adnvaced > Synchronize History (last month) just beforehand, which may have done something.
  56. Link Mauve Citizen Zibb, Prosody is my favourite.
  57. Link Mauve Mostly due to its awesome community.
  58. Citizen Zibb it seems more sane
  59. Citizen Zibb somehow
  60. Link Mauve Anyway, it’s 3:30am, time to sleep. \o_
  61. andrewdied Servers: I've used openfire for a while, but haven't done anything really fancy with it. Haven't used Prosody at all.
  62. Citizen Zibb Link Mauve, a pleasure. Thanks.
  63. Citizen Zibb andrewdied, yeah everyone recommends it to me
  64. Citizen Zibb I just dont know what the pros/cons are
  65. Citizen Zibb I mean, before anything else i'd probably figure out how to completely lock down everything besides what is absolutely essential on the rpi
  66. andrewdied I don't even use it server-to-server. But it started up, the web UI is easy to add users and groups, and that's about it.
  67. Citizen Zibb id like to sandbox it or smth too
  68. andrewdied The openfire / spark software had been without updates for quite a long time, but it's had some attention in the last year. Going with an active community is a good choice.
  69. Citizen Zibb I mean, if it's as simple as you say, and is secure I see no reason why it's not an ideal candidate
  70. andrewdied I think you can hook xmpp components into it (I just haven't done that), and it must self-sign a server certificate. I don't know how hard it is to put a real cert into it.
  71. Citizen Zibb yeah I have to look into it, and it would be a definite plus to allow file transfer, video and voice
  72. andrewdied The version I used had memory leaks, but IT rebooted it every couple of weeks to take care of it. I believe it had been fixed in later versions, but they just stayed put.
  73. Citizen Zibb if it isnt broke dont fix it
  74. andrewdied I think the spark client supported some version of file transfer, but we didn't use any of the file/video/voice bits.
  75. Citizen Zibb text is more than enough
  76. andrewdied Ah, Gajim > History Manager has my MUC history, but not View > History.
  77. Citizen Zibb Honestly, I'm glad jabber isnt dead
  78. andrewdied I'll have to agree.
  79. Citizen Zibb I was so pissed off when google moved from gtalk to hangouts
  80. andrewdied I've been a big fan of the protocol for years. Hopefully things like gajim moving to GTK3 will help the client. I've never really liked the multi-protocol clients.
  81. Citizen Zibb as sad as this may sound, I find it to be one of the last remnants of my youth, hehe
  82. Citizen Zibb i adopted this early, along with open audio formats and linux
  83. Citizen Zibb some of those formats are now dead, and linux is completely different from what it was
  84. andrewdied I no longer install linux from floppy disk, true. :)
  85. andrewdied IRC always bothered me with the lack of identity management. XMPP is a really good middle ground. You can control your own servers, and still connect to any others, letting them worry about their own.
  86. Citizen Zibb I detest irc
  87. Citizen Zibb I just registered on freenode and its a spam hell in there
  88. andrewdied It's been a mystery to me why systems like slack aren't using xmpp under the covers. It's already thought out.
  89. Citizen Zibb people have a really skewed perspective on xmpp
  90. Citizen Zibb I've read some really insane reasons for not using standard xmpp
  91. Citizen Zibb its got a large overhead etc etc bad with bandwidth
  92. rom1dep > It's been a mystery to me why systems like slack aren't using xmpp under the covers. It's already thought out. Some did. Hipchat for instance.
  93. Citizen Zibb rom1dep, have you tried the alpha?
  94. rom1dep Citizen Zibb: yes... Everyday for some months (even if it wasn't tagged as such until days ago)
  95. rom1dep Why?
  96. Citizen Zibb "error while sending saw some of the stuff you said in another room ( The room is currently overactive, please try again later )"
  97. Citizen Zibb rom1dep, saw your thoughts on siacs.eu
  98. rom1dep Citizen Zibb: Gtk 3 eating my keystrokes?
  99. Citizen Zibb yep
  100. rom1dep Yeah.
  101. Citizen Zibb update to alpha 2
  102. rom1dep I am definitely not a big fan of Gtk.
  103. rom1dep But don't get me started on that.
  104. Citizen Zibb there's always PSI
  105. rom1dep Psi is lagging behind
  106. andrewdied rom1dep: thanks. I did some quick reading, and hipchat uses xmpp, but Atlassian is switching to stride, and it won't.
  107. Citizen Zibb doesnt really seem like it, but I could be wrong.
  108. Citizen Zibb their jabber room is dead though
  109. rom1dep andrewdied: also, Facebook, Google and WhatsApp started off as XMPP
  110. Citizen Zibb and they shit the bead on that
  111. Citizen Zibb bed
  112. Citizen Zibb they all went rogue
  113. rom1dep Welcome to the new internet
  114. rom1dep Centralised, controlled walled gardens
  115. Citizen Zibb fascist concentration camps coming soon
  116. rom1dep Huw.
  117. Citizen Zibb huw?
  118. Neustradamus For 1.0.0 all issues will be resolved? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/issues
  119. lovetox no of course not
  120. Asterix Lol
  121. bot Yann Leboulanger pushed 1 commit to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim>: *53a92bde* <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/commit/53a92bdee814751dcddbb67dbf122b20e5974701> add get_own_jid method to ConnectionZeroconf. Fixes #8809
  122. bot Yann Leboulanger closed an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8809>: #8809: <Zeroconf: Make sure our own JID is in the DB causes AttributeError>
  123. rom1dep http-upload isn't working on windows, the button is there, but grayed out, with the message "your server does not supports http uploads". Of course it works on linux, against the same server. 1.0.0a2 portable.
  124. bot steffi closed an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8807>: #8807: <Messages are sent several times when JID ends with "!">
  125. bot Florian Apolloner created an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8810>: #8810: <Cannot sync history>
  126. bot Florian Apolloner created an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8811>: #8811: <Audio/Video session throws errors.>
  127. bot Florian Apolloner created an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8812>: #8812: <Sending to gajim from another resource with carbon copies enabled duplicates the message.>
  128. apollo13 lovetox, I am here if you have any questions regarding the issues I just opened -- can check on the server side too if that helps
  129. bot Florian Apolloner created an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8813>: #8813: <Screen flickering on focus>
  130. bot Florian Apolloner modified an issue in _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8813>: #8813: <Screen flickering on focus change>
  131. apollo13 that one is weird ^
  132. lovetox_ hi
  133. lovetox_ yeah annoying but the cause is unknown to me :/
  134. apollo13 regarding the screen flickering? also only seems to happens as long as the chat window is filled with messages
  135. apollo13 looks like a scroll issue
  136. apollo13 wtf, and also not on all contacts
  137. apollo13 absolutely reproducable in here though
  138. lovetox_ yeah i can also reproduce, doesnt help though why its happening
  139. cippaciong lovetox, hi, sorry to bother you. Did the gtk3 version of gajim-omemo become the default version of the plugin? I see that there isn't a gtk3 branch anymore
  140. bronko cippaciong, Yes: branches have changed for gajim-plugins, master is now gtk3 (see also here: https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plugins/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md)
  141. cippaciong Thanks
  142. lovetox_ yes we fixed this confusing naming of the branches
  143. lovetox_ so master gajim is master plugins
  144. lovetox_ and gajim_0.16 gajim branch is gajim_0.16 plugin branch
  145. bot André proposed a new merge request for _gajim/master_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/173>: Zeroconf: Fix get_own_jid()
  146. bot Yann Leboulanger pushed 2 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim>: https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/03821fb4-f588-4745-9cc8-e4f06f43271f
  147. bot Yann Leboulanger merged a merge request for _gajim/master_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/173>: Zeroconf: Fix get_own_jid()
  148. cippaciong lovetox, makes sense :)
  149. bot André proposed a new merge request for _gajim/master_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/174>: Zeroconf: fix unexpected keyword argument
  150. bot Yann Leboulanger pushed 2 commits to branch _refs/heads/master_ of _gajim_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim>: https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/cca1fcc7-4a87-40ec-b6b6-531798f9343e
  151. bot Yann Leboulanger merged a merge request for _gajim/master_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/174>: Zeroconf: fix unexpected keyword argument
  152. bot André proposed a new merge request for _gajim/master_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/175>: GUI interface: fix resource warning
  153. bot André proposed a new merge request for _gajim/master_ <https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/merge_requests/176>: Replace deprecated get_client_pointer()
  154. debacle What is a "metacontact"?
  155. Link Mauve debacle, multiple different JIDs in your roster appearing under a single entry.
  156. debacle How can I use this nice feature in Gajim?
  157. debacle Does it need server support?
  158. Link Mauve You dnd one contact on top of another, and yes your server needs to support Private XML Storage (XEP-0049).
  159. Citizen Zibb hello Link Mauve
  160. Link Mauve Citizen Zibb, hi. :)
  161. debacle Link Mauve, that's easy, but not necessarily intuitive :~) But it works!
  162. Link Mauve debacle, if you have any better idea, please tell!
  163. debacle To make the feature more "explicit" or visible, it should also be available in the "manage contact" submenu. No idea, how it can be done nicely, though.