Gajim - 2016-10-21

00:00:16 lovetox the "new" one not supported by prosody
00:00:17 lovetox ..
00:00:59 lovetox omfg
00:01:00 lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0326.html
00:01:22 lovetox im not implementing that one ever, just look at the size whatever it is lol
00:02:43 Link Mauve Gajim isn’t an IoT device, why would you implement it?
00:03:03 lovetox i didnt read it :D
00:04:29 lovetox another question
00:04:40 lovetox gajim right now loses all entity caps of a contact
00:04:45 lovetox once it goes offline
00:04:56 lovetox loses is the wrong word
00:05:00 lovetox it ignores it
00:05:26 lovetox i find this a bit weird
00:05:52 lovetox i think the argument would be, because there are multiple resources, and each of them supports different things
00:06:04 lovetox lets do nothing
00:18:59 Link Mauve lovetox, err, if someone is offline, there is no resource.
00:19:40 Link Mauve If someone has two resources, you can use either the union or the intersection of the features, depending on how conservative you want to be.
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17:15:25 cuc is there a way to move the contact list to the right in single window mode?
18:45:22 arune cuc: we have tabs on left so I think right also should work
19:51:32 lovetox arune, he was talking about contact list though
19:51:51 lovetox cuc i dont know, but you can look at the afdvanced config editor
19:51:56 lovetox maybe there is a setting there
19:54:03 cuc i did already... found nothing
20:00:03 zak Hi there. Just updated the OMEMO plugin to 0.9.5. Is it correct that the OMEMO button is now gone?
20:00:18 zak Doesn't seem so :(
20:00:54 zak Ah, had to activate the plugin again after the update.
20:01:01 zak This is a little bit annoying.
20:02:36 cuc yep had the same "issue" ;)
20:03:53 lovetox really? hmm .. yeah i never really update the plugin because im always on the latest version
20:04:11 lovetox but i look maybe i can do something about that
20:04:27 lovetox important thing is that is works ^^
20:04:45 lovetox im always thankful if after an update not everything breaks :D
20:06:35 zak I think this is not OMEMO specific is it? Meaning that the plugin gets disabled after upgrade.
20:18:58 lovetox hmmm good question :D
20:19:23 zak Whatever it is, it should be fixed ;)
20:57:09 NK hi, anybody help me? don't work an actions with bookmarks j-confereces, try on 0.15.4, 0.16.6 and hg Action... example: delete one of bookmark, delete and restart gajim - bookmark stayed,exist
21:24:10 lovetox whats your server?
21:24:16 lovetox NK
21:24:33 lovetox open the xml console for your account
21:24:40 lovetox delete a bookmark
21:25:01 lovetox and post what xml stream is happening to paste.gajim.org
21:37:38 NK lovetox: jabber.ru
21:38:09 NK ok, try it
21:42:29 Link Mauve NK, lovetox, someone else on jabber.ru reported the same bug, it was using PEP to download the bookmarks and Private XML for everything else.
21:44:57 NK lovetox: http://pastebin.com/Z6SPXU0h
21:46:22 NK in psi, psi+, vacuum - allright
21:48:33 NK in log don't see error and deleted my bookmark, but if restart gajim - bookmark founded
21:48:46 lovetox NK, right now Gajim doesnt handle Bookmarks correctly
21:48:54 lovetox most server dont care and do it anyway
21:48:59 lovetox but jabber.ru ignores it
21:49:16 lovetox can you edit your bookmarks from another client?
21:49:28 lovetox afterwards gajim should get the right bookmarks
21:50:01 lovetox or are you using only gajim
21:50:02 lovetox ?
21:50:12 NK lovetox: try it, delete in psi+ and vacuum, start gajim - bookmark too
21:51:10 lovetox you mean nothing changes if you edit them from another client?
21:51:30 NK yes
21:51:48 NK sorry for bad english
21:52:52 lovetox hm i have a patch for that in another branch
21:53:05 lovetox i will add the patch to the 0.16.6 branch
21:53:33 lovetox i hope today, afterwards you can try again
21:53:40 lovetox with the version from hg
21:54:33 NK lovetox: branch default or gajim_0.16 ?
21:54:42 lovetox gajim_0.16
21:54:45 lovetox default should work
21:54:49 lovetox but its alpha status
21:54:56 lovetox so other bugs in there
21:55:08 lovetox just wait i add this patch to gajim_0.16
21:55:30 NK ok, wait
21:56:36 NK this is how - bookmark saves on other server special for gajim
22:01:08 NK and, i don't know why, but maybe this error from upgrades on jabber.ru-server, yet 0.16.5
22:03:26 lovetox yeah i dont know why this just happens now, we never had reports of it not working
22:03:40 lovetox also its weird that if you change a bookmark in another client
22:03:44 lovetox it doesnt translates to gajim
22:05:31 NK yes, that's exactly what's happening(
22:06:55 NK and very interesting... why?
22:09:14 Link Mauve Because those other clients are using Private XML, and Gajim fetches them from PEP.
22:09:20 Link Mauve I already said that earlier.
22:09:34 Link Mauve Everyone should move to PEP already…
22:09:40 lovetox but why is it in pep?
22:10:05 Link Mauve lovetox, because?
22:10:14 Link Mauve It’s how the XEP is designed.
22:10:24 lovetox you said yourself these client dont use pep
22:10:27 Link Mauve Only an older version was recommending Private XML.
22:10:29 lovetox so someone has to store it there
22:10:35 Link Mauve lovetox, those clients have not been updated.
22:10:46 Link Mauve lovetox, ah, dunno, maybe yet another client is only using PEP?
22:11:02 lovetox but the last reported couldnt also name the client who did this
22:11:05 Link Mauve Or maybe jabber.ru changed something that made Gajim bail out of its PEP codepad.
22:11:08 Link Mauve Or maybe jabber.ru changed something that made Gajim bail out of its PEP codepath.
22:11:21 lovetox i slowly suspect jabber ru , stores it itself there
22:11:30 Link Mauve Unlikely.
22:11:41 Link Mauve lovetox, most likely it was Gajim.
22:12:11 lovetox thats unlikely, because jabber.ru doesnt fullfill the requirements
22:12:28 lovetox we talked about this last time
22:12:44 Link Mauve Maybe it used to, before an update.
22:13:03 lovetox hm that could be indeed
22:13:22 lovetox so gajim stores it there, afterwards we only pull from there but cant store there again
22:13:27 lovetox so nothing changes ever
22:13:48 lovetox ok but the patch will solve this good
22:14:11 lovetox the problem was that gajim accepts pep over xml, without testing server features
22:14:15 lovetox but for storing it tests
22:14:29 lovetox so it pulls form pep, but can not store there
22:17:57 Link Mauve lovetox, have you sent an email to 0223’s author to clarify that issue?
22:19:01 lovetox no i did not, because i cant articulate what the alternative would be
22:19:20 lovetox i have no knowledge how pep works
22:19:31 lovetox if this makes sense, or another thing would make more sense
22:19:33 Link Mauve It’s just PubSub on a JID.
22:19:45 lovetox no i meant because of security
22:19:59 lovetox i dont know how these things are configured etc
22:20:00 Link Mauve Just report the issue to standards@ then.
22:20:20 lovetox what issue? i have only a question, is this the correct behaviour or not
22:20:36 lovetox and then they ask me, why should it not?
22:20:44 lovetox and what would be my response to this?
22:20:53 lovetox i dont know, i just ask questions for fun
22:20:54 lovetox :D
22:21:38 lovetox i think we had only a issue, because we believed there was a client who ignores the xep
22:21:44 lovetox but we didnt found one yet
22:21:50 lovetox indeed your theory is much better
22:21:59 lovetox that the server supported all features before an update
22:22:05 lovetox so gajim stores there correctly
22:22:18 lovetox but did not afterwards, and gajim doesnt check features when pulling
22:23:10 lovetox but anway how do i report to @standards?
22:23:41 Link Mauve Just register and send an email.
22:24:05 Link Mauve Like any mailing list.
22:24:10 Link Mauve https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
22:27:16 lovetox ok so i registered, and now i just write an normal email to standards@xmpp.org?
22:27:29 lovetox sorry for asking dumb stuff, but never used a mailing list :D
22:35:46 Link Mauve Yes.
22:39:16 bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #8451 (Traceback when trying to assign a PGP key to a contact) created Bug description Traceback (most recent call last): File "src\roster_window.py", line 3217, in on_assign_pgp_key File "src\common\connection.py", line 697, in ask_gpg_keys File "src\common\gpg.py", line 117, in get_keys File "src\common\gnupg.py", line 1197, in list_keys File "src\common\gnupg.py", line 1163, in _get_list_output File "src\[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/8451
22:41:38 lovetox NK
22:41:43 NK lovetox, in hg-repository Copyright © 2003-2014 Gajim Team maybe for next time " Copyright © since 2003 Gajim Team " ?
22:41:45 NK
22:41:55 lovetox can you import a patch
22:42:49 lovetox https://upload.jabber.at/http_upload/YIvRc9wPQwIdpQnoyt5mHIaozCkKOOP5/bookmark.patch
22:42:51 NK patch -pX --verbose < file.patch in sources?
22:42:53 lovetox and try
22:43:17 lovetox i think just go into the folder where you cloned hg
22:43:25 lovetox and type hg import patchname
22:44:18 lovetox tough check before if you are on the correct branch
22:44:24 lovetox hg update gajim_0.16
22:45:04 NK can you help me with commands?
22:45:10 lovetox yes
22:45:20 lovetox go into the directory where you cloned gajim to
22:45:23 NK patch -Np1 --verbose -i bookmark.patch ?
22:45:31 NK i'm about this
22:45:48 lovetox hm i dont know your commands
22:45:51 lovetox i do it like this
22:45:52 lovetox and type: hg import bookmark.patch
22:45:58 NK ok)
22:46:31 NK hmm, interesting) thx // one moment
22:49:21 NK lovetox, ? hg clone http://hg.gajim.org/gajim/ /tmp/gajim.hg cd /tmp/gajim.hg hg update gajim_0.16 && hg branch hg import bookmark.patch
22:49:53 NK > hg import PATH/to/bookmark.patch
22:49:53 lovetox i dont know what hg branch does
22:50:01 lovetox but does this work?
22:50:18 lovetox just try it, you cant lose anything here, other then you have to clone again
22:53:53 NK It's works!
22:54:20 NK lovetox, Link Mauve thx thx thanks
22:54:21 bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Ticket #8452 (OpenPGP key not trusted) created Bug description When sending an OpenPGP encrypted message to one of my contacts the window "OpenPGP key not trusted" appears. For other contacts everything is fine. I use Gpg4win and this key looks like all others. I set the trust to "full trust". The[…] https://trac.gajim.org/ticket/8452 • gajim_openpgp-key-not-trusted.png attached to Ticket #8[]
22:56:01 lovetox great i will merge this patch with hg
22:56:16 lovetox tell your friends on jabber.ru if they have the same problem :)
22:56:19 NK wait, one moment, final test
22:56:25 NK =)
22:58:15 Nk good
22:58:26 Nk and cool)
22:59:08 lovetox nice :)
23:02:39 lovetox i really should get into this pgp stuff, it seems many people use gajim with pgp
23:09:26 bot RSS: Feeds for Gajim • Changeset [16180:e34411e66704]: Store optional fields correctly in Bookmarks Store optional fields correctly in Bookmarks https://trac.gajim.org/changeset/e34411e66704ae89b4cf2dce801b92ec37121772
23:12:15 nk_ but question: where are saved me oldest bookmarks?) before delete in gajim w/ bookmark.patch
23:13:15 lovetox what do you mean?
23:13:23 lovetox after the patch you had no bookmars at start?
23:14:18 nk_ Now, i install gajim 0.16.6 - problems and old bookmarks stay
23:14:46 lovetox of course.. 0.16.6 is not hg
23:14:47 lovetox ..
23:14:57 lovetox you have to wait for 0.16.7
23:15:32 lovetox bookmarks are saved in a feature called PEP
23:15:43 nk_ no-no, insteresting where saved this is info about my old_bookmarks?)
23:15:47 nk_ hmm
23:15:53 lovetox the problem is
23:16:01 lovetox to write new or edit bookmarks to PEP
23:16:08 lovetox the server requires some features
23:16:20 lovetox which jabber.ru it seems now after the server update does not anymore
23:16:25 lovetox so gajim cant write anymore to PEP
23:16:32 lovetox but in 0.16.6
23:16:36 lovetox it could read from PEP
23:16:43 lovetox so it read always from PEP
23:16:52 lovetox but couldnt write or delete something from there
23:17:08 lovetox so new version fix is, that if gajim cant write to pep
23:17:15 lovetox it also doesnt read from pep
23:17:41 lovetox so i hope your other clients like psi etc, use also the old xml storage for boomarks
23:17:58 lovetox so gajim will use also now xml storage for boomarks
23:18:04 lovetox and everything can sync with each other
23:18:29 Holger If PEP works, Gajim will use both?
23:18:44 Link Mauve Holger, yes, IIRC.
23:18:58 Link Mauve It will read from PEP and store to both.
23:19:10 Holger Store just changes to both I guess?
23:19:28 Link Mauve There is no concept of changes, writes are atomic.
23:19:28 Holger Or will both end up being identical?
23:20:22 Holger Not at the protocol level, but if a user adds a bookmark, Gajim could just add that bookmark to both and leave the (possibly differing) remaining bookmarks untouched.
23:20:33 Link Mauve Oh.
23:20:37 Link Mauve No, it doesn’t do that.
23:20:57 Link Mauve That would require it to load from both at any time, since another resource may have changed the Private XML..
23:21:00 Link Mauve That would require it to load from both at any time, since another resource may have changed the Private XML.
23:21:16 Holger Right. I'm not saying it should, just wondering how it works.
23:21:20 Link Mauve That was the main reason to switch to PEP, so that other resources would get the changes as they happen.
23:21:26 Holger Yup.
23:22:27 Holger PEP totally makes sense for this of course. Assuming the node is stored persistently ...
23:22:43 Holger And what's the issue with jabber.ru?
23:22:46 Link Mauve And isn’t accessible by other people.
23:22:51 Holger should probably read backlog.
23:22:58 Link Mauve They don’t expose something Gajim checks for, IIRC.
23:23:09 Holger (But it's so much easier to have you guys explain everything again for me!)
23:23:14 Holger Ah.
23:23:22 Link Mauve (Hehe. :p)
23:23:32 lovetox so Holger, about this bookmarks best practice xep
23:24:03 lovetox if i write a email to @standards, would you add what the questions are regarding this
23:24:13 lovetox because i cant really articulate it :D
23:24:50 Holger Erm, I think I have no questions? :-)
23:25:13 Holger Except I'd be interested in what exactly jabber.ru gets wrong.
23:25:46 lovetox so what, the xep makes sense now and is correct?
23:25:55 lovetox because then i write no email :)
23:26:15 Holger Oh sorry, now I know what you mean.
23:26:53 lovetox because it seems there are no servers who enable the options that the xep wnats
23:26:59 lovetox so either admins dont know about it
23:26:59 Holger You mean our discussion from a few days ago and expect me to still remember even though it's ... a few days ago!
23:27:16 lovetox or they think its wrong :)
23:29:26 Holger Yes, the question is what exactly the intention behind using pubsub#publish-options in this XEP is and whether people think it should stay that way (despite servers not supporting it).
23:29:52 Holger And if they do I have some follow-up questions regarding the details. I'll post them in that case, yes.
23:31:14 lovetox nice k i write the mail now thanks
23:31:59 Holger Sounds good.
23:34:31 Holger The intention might be to double check that the pubsub#persist_items and pubsub#access_model node configuration options are really set. I.e. to check this whenever bookmarks are stored, as opposed to just checking this once at the beginning of the session or whatever.
23:36:03 Holger I could understand that intention, but the question is whether it wouldn't be more pragmatic to drop it given the missing support.
23:36:44 Holger But if we don't drop it, I think it's clearly underspecified how exactly this is supposed to work.
23:38:05 Holger If I'm just overlooking the details, or if they are clarified by a 0060 update, I'd add server-side support.
23:53:36 Holger "I've never used a mailing list" lets me feel sooo old BTW!
23:58:24 lovetox haha :D
23:59:07 lovetox btw Holger, when gajim gets bookmarks from private storage
23:59:50 lovetox and there is a new bookmark in there, it adds this and publishes to pubsub